NOS Ranchero FS: Discussion

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The vast majority of my watches with lume from this era don’t have burn,

Umm….the word “majority” and “vast” 😗 😉😉
 
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I think it’s a sound buy at 20k. However even if I could justify it, I wouldn’t personally buy it as I wouldn’t be able to resist wearing it.
 
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I think it’s a sound buy at 20k. However even if I could justify it, I wouldn’t personally buy it as I wouldn’t be able to resist wearing it.
I would have the same issue. I wear my current Ranchero sparingly and carefully, but I do wear it.
 
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I think it’s a sound buy at 20k. However even if I could justify it, I wouldn’t personally buy it as I wouldn’t be able to resist wearing it.

For me that sort of watch takes the fun out of the hobby. Back in the Philippines we were lucky to find all sorts of similar condition vintage Rolexes and other brands, after a couple months of peeking at them in our storage box we ended up doing the smart thing and selling them off to richer collector pals on VRF and MWR. Not taking anything away from the other types of collectors, I like to handle the watches we own, not bask in the glory of simply owning them.


I would have the same issue. I wear my current Ranchero sparingly and carefully, but I do wear it.


Oh hell I would take that beater of yours and run it into the ground like a rental car. 😁
 
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For me that sort of watch takes the fun out of the hobby. Back in the Philippines we were lucky to find all sorts of similar condition vintage Rolexes and other brands, after a couple months of peeking at them in our storage box we ended up doing the smart thing and selling them off to richer collector pals on VRF and MWR. Not taking anything away from the other types of collectors, I like to handle the watches we own, not bask in the glory of simply owning them.





Oh hell I would take that beater of yours and run it into the ground like a rental car. 😁
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For me that sort of watch takes the fun out of the hobby. Back in the Philippines we were lucky to find all sorts of similar condition vintage Rolexes and other brands, after a couple months of peeking at them in our storage box we ended up doing the smart thing and selling them off to richer collector pals on VRF and MWR. Not taking anything away from the other types of collectors, I like to handle the watches we own, not bask in the glory of simply owning them.





Oh hell I would take that beater of yours and run it into the ground like a rental car. 😁

Yeah I agree. I’m a wearer of vintage watches rather than a collector.
 
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A bit late to the party and don't know much about vintage watches but something about this watch doesn't quite sit right with me. The sticker on the case back has a "new style" Omega logo whilst the dial has the "old style". Also, the sticker has the words "antimagnetic" (in English) and "antichoc" (in French?). The hangtag has "antimagnetique". For a watch like this to be in pristine condition after such a long time it would need to have been stored in perfect environmental conditions. Just seems too good to be true but I suppose miracles happen. Anyway, just my two bits.
 
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A bit late to the party and don't know much about vintage watches but something about this watch doesn't quite sit right with me. The sticker on the case back has a "new style" Omega logo whilst the dial has the "old style". Also, the sticker has the words "antimagnetic" (in English) and "antichoc" (in French?). The hangtag has "antimagnetique". For a watch like this to be in pristine condition after such a long time it would need to have been stored in perfect environmental conditions. Just seems too good to be true but I suppose miracles happen. Anyway, just my two bits.
I think it’s healthy skepticism, which is why Niko posted it in the first place. A few of us were chatting in the backround about this and thought it was a prime opportunity to see what the collective thought about it. Even nos examples we have don’t age this well, radium burn, paperwork brittle and yellowed, box lining disintegrating and glues all dried up, strap shrunken and brittle…still NOS, but just showing the appropriate degradation of materials with age in “normal” non archival conditions.
Even a museum would be battling materials conservation with the paper backings in the box and sticker all having acid content hence yellowing, leathers are tanned and topped so they shrink and glue comes undone- stitching will rot…these are real issues. Not to say it can’t happen, but conditions would need to be beyond ideal.
So yeah, seeing one this perfect makes one raise an eyebrow just because…how?
 
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Look at the staple on the hang tag. It has rust you'd expect on a steel staple (after cleaning my mom's and grandparent's houses, i've seen alot of old papers.)

I also had a hard time with the clean papers but it looks legit. It must have really been in a dark place. Definitely would like to hear the whole story.

I've seen Zenith El Primeros that were found in someones attic. The boxes and papers looked newish. It's possible.
 
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Look at the staple on the hang tag. It has rust you'd expect on a steel staple (after cleaning my mom's and grandparent's houses, i've seen alot of old papers.)

I also had a hard time with the clean papers but it looks legit. It must have really been in a dark place. Definitely would like to hear the whole story.

I've seen Zenith El Primeros that were found in someones attic. The boxes and papers looked newish. It's possible.
Yeah, 50-55% humidity and between 50-70 degrees…that’s about as stable as you can get.
 
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Owning a NOS example of any collectible is not about using them, it’s about being the steward of an exemplary specimen- a museum piece essentially. Some people are fine having a static collection (doesn’t leave the box) as it’s the reference by which all others are judged.

I would extend that thought and go a step further: collect vintage, wear modern. Put differently, if a watch is worth collecting you should probably no longer use it as a tool.
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Owning a NOS example of any collectible is not about using them, it’s about being the steward of an exemplary specimen- a museum piece essentially. Some people are fine having a static collection (doesn’t leave the box) as it’s the reference by which all others are judged. Wether that’s your thing or not, someone has to keep these things in pristine shape.
And if someone buys this watch and wears it to make a statement about how watches are meant to be worn…you’re a total ass.
 
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Owning a NOS example of any collectible is not about using them, it’s about being the steward of an exemplary specimen- a museum piece essentially. Some people are fine having a static collection (doesn’t leave the box) as it’s the reference by which all others are judged. Wether that’s your thing or not, someone has to keep these things in pristine shape.
And if someone buys this watch and wears it to make a statement about how watches are meant to be worn…you’re a total ass.
Yes, I get it, I once passed on an opportunity to buy an NOS 1960s Polerouter because owning a museum piece is not my thing. If I did own one though I would never wear it. Anyway, if it’s a desirable model you could always count on resale value on an NOS, provided you are a careful curator!
 
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Yes, I get it, I once passed on an opportunity to buy an NOS 1960s Polerouter because owning a museum piece is not my thing. If I did own one though I would never wear it. Anyway, if it’s a desirable model you could always count on resale value on an NOS, provided you are a careful curator!
Exactly. I have come across several that I felt the same about- I wouldn’t enjoy it because it was literally too nice for me- I have passed them along to others here that I know do collect like that.
 
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I would extend that thought and go a step further: collect vintage, wear modern. Put differently, if a watch is worth collecting you should probably no longer use it as a tool.
As a tool- I agree. Some can handle it, some can’t anymore due to aged/compromised materials. My Bakelite bezeled zodiacs and Bulova divers were meant to be used for diving- but the nature of the material used for the bezel inserts get brittle with time as does the lamenent/adhesive materials used to hold the inserts into the bezels- if water gets under there you get the separation that we see so often in Bakelite bezels. I still wear them regularly- but not for wet work- that’s what a seiko is for.
 
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I would extend that thought and go a step further: collect vintage, wear modern. Put differently, if a watch is worth collecting you should probably no longer use it as a tool.
But part of the joy of wearing vintage is the feeling of durability, reliability, and lasting value that it gives you. In my modern life, my 1954 Polarouter, or my 1943 Bubbleback, or whatever (there are a lot of whatevers), can still get me to work on time. Heck, they get me to my Zoom meetings on time! They live because I live, because of the auto-wind rotor or bumper, or because I take them to the watchmaker for service. There’s a certain companionship there. Yes, this is true of modern watches as well, but the oldies have had other owners before me, who lived in very different times, and I find this comforting and even exciting.
 
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This is heading over towards the recent thread on having 2 watches of the same, one for wearing and one for cuddling, cosseting, admiring and taking great images of for posting on forums for others to admire!
 
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I wear my 100+ year old trench watches and open pusher chronos out in the world on a regular basis. I do however only wear them in the cooler months (low humidity and no sweat on the skin) and keep a ziplock in my bag with me in case I get caught in a rainstorm- it has come in handy.
 
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A bit late to the party and don't know much about vintage watches but something about this watch doesn't quite sit right with me. The sticker on the case back has a "new style" Omega logo whilst the dial has the "old style". Also, the sticker has the words "antimagnetic" (in English) and "antichoc" (in French?). The hangtag has "antimagnetique". For a watch like this to be in pristine condition after such a long time it would need to have been stored in perfect environmental conditions. Just seems too good to be true but I suppose miracles happen. Anyway, just my two bits.

That watch is legit. Here is how mine looks like:
 
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I love how @MSNWatch stays quietly on the sidelines for a few pages, letting the rest of us squabble over the details and our opinions, and as soon as we’ve punched ourselves out, casually opens with “Its legit. I know it because I’ve got the same ref in the same condition”.