Noob Test - Constellation

X350 XJR · Apr 22, 2020

Lets see who's been paying attention.

Please leave this to the junior members for a day.

Name the things that are wrong with this Constellation spotted on eBay.

sonicosa · Apr 22, 2020

Hands are replacements. Wrong caliber, should be 564 for chronometer rated. Also never seen one with that date indicator disc color on a silver dial. Thinking it's also likely a redial based on the quality of the print below the Omega marker (edit: and the minute track on closer inspection).

Edit: regarding my thinking on the hands - the second and hour hand seem too long extending beyond the minute track. Also, with the black / onyx color, the dial markers should match if the hands are original.

Also - I can't tell if the markers contain lume. If so, we should be seeing T Swiss Made T on the dial, which would be another indicator of a redial and the hands being replacements.

Edit again: I think I noticed something that is missing in the first pic, but I'll leave that for another noob.

Elias564 · Apr 22, 2020

I would add the case is overpolished as it misses edges on the lugs.

The screw used for the crown wheel seems odd to me...shouldn't it be flat?

NotAClue · Apr 22, 2020

sonicosa
Edit again: I think I noticed something that is missing in the first pic, but I'll leave that for another noob.

The bezel?

Also I think it has a wrong crown and since the case back doesn't belong to the case which case are looking at? 168.005? (I may be making some confusion as I don't known a lot about constellations - it made go study a bit 👍)

By the way, could you do this kind of games more often?? 😉

simomega · Apr 22, 2020

Colour of rotor and bridge is different from rest of movement...

Thatguy · Apr 22, 2020

Should've been either 14902 or 168.005, but seeing from the shape of the lug it should be 168.005,
Black date wheel, though I'll probably take that watch to take that black date wheel and put it into my black steel constellation pie pan watch then throw away the watch.
565 bridge was put replacing either 561/564 for the gear teain.
Crown wheel screw is fixed inside it, and its inner core is reworked to accommodate the fit of screw, I think.
Dial is Japanese redial, and relumed.
Mismatched hands.
Crown is an OEM one, though I won't blame them for that if it makes it a little water resistant.
Stem is too long, idk why the watchmaker didn't bother to fix it correctly.
I think that's all...

Peemacgee · Apr 22, 2020

Thatguy
But what do you think about this one?
Movement correct, 751.

That circle thing is plastic covering the crystal.

I realise that etiquette means nothing nowadays on the net but why would you hi-jack an educational fun thread for new collectors, about a particular watch reference that has identifiable issues, with a random query about a different reference?
If you want to discuss your c-case start a new thread!

Deafboy · Apr 22, 2020

Peemacgee
why would you hi-jack an educational fun thread for new collectors, about a particular watch reference that has identifiable issues, with a random query about a different reference?

Agree, should start a new thread...

Ness · Apr 22, 2020

This thread is very informative. And it would be great to see more of them.

Thanks for sharing experience and knowledge.

llvhhui · Apr 22, 2020

As a noob, at first glance, all I could tell is the black date window and abnormally long second hand...

bubu16 · Apr 22, 2020

Thatguy
But what do you think about this one?
Movement correct, 751.

That circle thing is plastic covering the crystal.

Ouch!!! my friend. Texts when you blow them up are kinda irregular -that is just one

bubu16 · Apr 22, 2020

Date wheel, second hand loner that what it should be, etc.

kev1976t · Apr 22, 2020

Love these:

The caseback looks totally fake
The seconds hand is wrong, its too long
The date window has a black background
the hour markers dont look quite right, should there be bits of black?
And the word Automatic looks larger test than the words below.

Now lets see what the other answers are...

NikoMartinez_SYD · Apr 22, 2020

Need more threads like this!! First thing that jumped our was the black date wheel, the hands and the dial font....

harrymai86 · Apr 22, 2020

Serie is too high for a 14900

Enchanted · Apr 22, 2020

The 14900 should house a 551. The perlage on the caseback is too perfect, the circles not overlapping, possibly fake caseback. The hour markers don't have onyx, and finally, the chamfering/faceting on the lugs is not present.

Kek25 · Apr 22, 2020

Hands in bad position to perform "MOY" test, but don't need MOY test to identify it's a redial.

Some hour markers don't seem to match up with dial hash marks - 4 & 5 for example.

Not good with bezels but something looks off there.

Is the rotor rubbing the copper ring below it at the 1 o'clock log or is that mark made by a clumsy watchmaker?

Thanks for doing this.

DJG2645 · Apr 23, 2020

In addition to all of the above should there also be a lume plot/marker at 3 beside the date window?
Also think this is a great way for us noob's to continue learning - thanks for thinking of us @X350 XJR

felsby · Apr 23, 2020

- too long seconds hand
- wrong caliber, 565 was never in a Connie
- wrong date disc color
- soft pie pan facets indicating redial

I am in doubt about the bezel.

Davidt · Apr 23, 2020

There’s a big issue that a couple have flirted with but no ones flagged properly yet.

Noob Test - Constellation

X350 XJR

sonicosa

Elias564

NotAClue

simomega

Thatguy

Peemacgee

Deafboy

Ness

llvhhui

bubu16

bubu16

kev1976t

NikoMartinez_SYD

harrymai86

Enchanted

Kek25

DJG2645

felsby

Davidt

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