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If you are worrying about a second +/- then a mechanical watch is maybe not for you. I do agree a gain is more convenient than a loss but your watch is nowhere the worst I’ve seen within warranty. You will get very frustrated if you insist on this level of accuracy. For your peace of mind I’d just accept it and reset once a week. That way at worst you’ll be 10secs out. Hardly a disaster. You can go down the road of warranty regulation/servicing certainly but I expect you’ll have to do so again in a couple of years and you’ll be without the watch while it’s done.

A timing machine is a very dangerous thing. Without one most of us would be perfectly happy!

ps one take away from the first post regards the comment about being ‘fully wound at any time’. If you mean simply by being active that’s fine but if you are manually winding the watch as well to top it off then don’t do that. You may get better results if you let the reserve drop naturally and recharge from motion. It’s worth a try anyhow.
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If you are worrying about a second +/- then a mechanical watch is not for you.
I have zero issues with +/- on mechanical watch unless there is promise from a renowned brand. In our case it is METAS certification promising me that I pay for 0..+5 in all positions averaged.

Again, broken promise is what I'm worried about, not a +/-. Sorry if it is not clear from my post initially

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ps one take away from the first post regards the comment about being fully wound
it is 30-35 manuall wounds I did before measuring. I will post timegraph results today too
 
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Ok well try it for a week without the manual winds. I suspect that may be the smoking gun here. Most watch movements behave differently with different levels of main spring power. That is to say they are not perfectly isochronous. Being an auto, the watch is not designed to be regularly manual wound so try without. If it improves matters, win:win.

My other comments weren’t meant as personal criticism by the way, it’s more a reflection of my own weary acceptance that mechanical watches are not perfect and any certification only really applies on the day it was performed. If you expect 0s +/- you’ll either be permanently disappointed or will soon get on first name terms with your dealer. For 5 years at least.
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Ok well try it for a week without the manual winds. I suspect that may be the smoking gun here. Most watch movements behave differently with different levels of main spring power. That is to say they are not perfectly isochronous. Being an auto, the watch is not designed to be regularly manual wound so try without.

My other comments weren’t meant as personal criticism by the way, it’s more a reflection of my own weary acceptance that mechanical watches are not perfect and any certification only really applies on the day it was performed. If you expect 0s +/- you’ll either be permanently disappointed or will soon get on first name terms with your dealer. For 5 years at least.
Thank you very much mate for a good advise. I own AT with 8900 movement and have zero issues with it (it gains a bit). I didn't want SMP initially but as many ended up owning both AT and SMP. Thus my initial expectation was that 8800 should be lest accurate than 8900 (double barrel) but not losing time
 
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Thank you very much mate for a good advise. I own AT with 8900 movement and have zero issues with it (it gains a bit). I didn't want SMP initially but as many ended up owning both AT and SMP. Thus my initial expectation was that 8800 should be lest accurate than 8900 (double barrel) but not losing time
But if METAS result would be +/- 0 average over 6 positions, some of them need to lose time to make up for the gain in other positions.
 
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But if METAS result would be +/- 0 average over 6 positions, some of them need to lose time to make up for the gain in other positions.
yeah, I can't find any reliable position for my 8800 which gives me + to offset my -
 
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yeah, I can't find any reliable position for my 8800 which gives me + to offset my -
If I was this concerned about an 8800, I would stop buying cheap, low end timegraphers and just spend that money on having the movement adjusted, now that it has settled in after a year of runtime. If OMEGA finds nothing wrong with it, they will adjust it and charge you a modest fee. If they find that something is wrong, they will fix it under warranty, and adjust it for free. Your comments about OMEGA's QC are silly. It's a mechanical movement, there are many variables, and sometimes they need adjustment, re-lubrication, or part replacement. You knew that going in, so just let them handle it for you. That's why they come with a warranty. Hope you can get it sorted! Cheers.
 
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Here are timegrapher results for a brand new watch directly from online retail omega shop.

As I expected there are no positions which give me positive gain. Out of METAS promised by Omega

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I have tested dial up, dial down, crown at 45, 135, 225 degrees, crown up and crown down
 
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If I was this concerned about an 8800
whatever mate. I have paid for promise from a strong brand and it didn't work for me. I'm really glad it works for you. All the best
 
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whatever mate. I have paid for promise from a strong brand and it didn't work for me. I'm really glad it works for you. All the best
Warranty. 👍
 
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whatever mate. I have paid for promise from a strong brand and it didn't work for me. I'm really glad it works for you. All the best
Well then, take it back.
 
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Well then, take it back.
I can't simply give it back and request money back. I have contacted Omega and they suggest that I need to send it back. They don't offer replacement or whatever. From what I have read it is up to 6 months without my watch. Sounds like a joke to me
 
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Warranty. 👍
yes. That shouldn't happen though to a new customer purchasing directly from factory. With a proper QC ofc.
 
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I can't simply give it back and request money back. I have contacted Omega and they suggest that I need to send it back. They don't offer replacement or whatever. From what I have read it is up to 6 months without my watch. Sounds like a joke to me
I never suggested a money back option.

SEND IT BACK UNDER WARRANTY OR DONT.

Talking of sounding like a joke……
😉
 
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I never suggested a money back option.

SEND IT BACK UNDER WARRANTY OR DONT.

Talking of sounding like a joke……
😉
Nah, it is not a joke. I was deeply attached to Omega brand but after looking into my timegrapher results (and 2.5 months history) I don't have this feeling anymore. I wish I have heard my friends and purchased Submariner instead 🙁
 
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Nah, it is not a joke. I was deeply attached to Omega brand but after looking into my timegrapher results (and 2.5 months history) I don't have this feeling anymore. I wish I have heard my friends and purchased Submariner instead 🙁
Ahhh, there we have it.

I wish you had also.
 
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Ahhh, there we have it.

I wish you had also.
Does this 8800 movement slows even more over time? I have now searched for movement itself on this forum and not for SMP 300 and it looks like time loss is pretty common
 
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Does this 8800 movement slows even more over time? I have now searched for movement itself on this forum and not for SMP 300 and it looks like time loss is pretty common
I have a two year old one, when I change the date forward and set the time every couple months it might be 20 seconds slow vs time.gov. Sits on a winder all the time.
 
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I have a two year old one, when I change the date forward and set the time every couple months it might be 20 seconds slow vs time.gov. Sits on a winder all the time.
That is sweet, congrats. Was it the same performance in the beginning?
 
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