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My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

  1. Shabbaz Sep 17, 2019

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    Run like hell! ::facepalm1::
     
  2. hmmmcamu Sep 17, 2019

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  3. JwRosenthal Sep 17, 2019

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    Pink Floyd put @Shabbaz statement better in song

     
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  4. Watchout312 Sep 17, 2019

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    Run quick. The dial is fake (notice the grey lettering) the bezel is fake (too new and untouched). It resembles the many fakes surfacing on Etsy and other auction sites.

    Find something in good condition where the patina on the dial matches both the hour markers and hands. Look for the notches on the side of the case by the crown and re read all of the valuable info in this thread.

    Good luck, it’s a lot of work finding a good one, but the payoff is worth it.
     
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  5. hmmmcamu Sep 17, 2019

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    manual wind case back details ...
     
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  6. TNTwatch Sep 20, 2019

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    Beside the the lume pip difference in the first picture, nothing looks fake on this watch. You guys needs to study this model family more carefully.
     
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  7. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Sep 20, 2019

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    I'll start and end with the most obvious, bezels for these have been NLA from Omega for at least 10-15 years, so the dozens of these supposedly "mint" examples popping up over the last five or so years scream fake.
     
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  8. Watchout312 Sep 20, 2019

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    I researched this watch quite a bit before purchasing mine and while I respect your opinion, I disagree completely. The Dial, the grey writing and the lume are clearly fake.
     
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  9. Shabbaz Sep 20, 2019

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    So you're saying the bezel is not fake? I did study this model quite extensively because it's one of my favourite models. This is also the reason I had a lot of them. And if that bezel is not fake I will eat my shoe...
     
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  10. TNTwatch Sep 20, 2019

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    The grey writing and the lume are different in colour, but that alone does not indicate a fake dial. Show your proofs of it being fake along with side-by-side a real one.
     
  11. COYI Sep 20, 2019

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    I'm certain it's a fake
     
  12. TNTwatch Sep 20, 2019

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    I didn't say the bezel is not fake, just said the lume looks different (implying the bezel may or may not be fake). Since you've studied it a lot, let's point out what else from the bezel saying it fake.
     
  13. TNTwatch Sep 20, 2019

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    One sentence is not enough proof...
     
  14. Shabbaz Sep 20, 2019

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    Triangle around pip too short
    Black outerrim bezel
    Font '3' from '30'.
     
  15. Shabbaz Sep 20, 2019

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    You agree with the fact the pip was changed right? So if the bezel is original it was damaged over time. But the rest is like nos with a black outerrim. Bullshit watch IMO. No way the rest of the bezel would be like new.

    Edit: you agree with the fact the pip does not belong to a 120? So two options: 1) pip was changed on a original bezel; 2) fake bezel. So if the bezel is original it was damaged over time. But the rest is like nos with a black outerrim. Bullshit watch IMO. No way the rest of the bezel would be like new.
     
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  16. TNTwatch Sep 20, 2019

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    I admit the lume pip's difference leads to other clues of this watch being suspicious and fake.
     
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  17. Watchout312 Sep 20, 2019

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    I think it’s important also to address the grey writing, while I cannot 100% confirm that the grey writing dials are fake, I can make a very educated assumption that an overwhelming amount of vintages pieces have white writing. This includes ones in great shape and ones in not so great shape.

    All grey lettering dials appear on the watches that are labeled “like new” and “NOS”. The grey also appears on some very sketchy Etsy and eBay sellers who are labeling their fakes as like new.

    So I would advise members looking for an authentic Seamaster 120 to read this thread and “Say Na To The Grey”.
     
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  18. JwRosenthal Sep 20, 2019

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    Looks pretty white to me C5D01A9C-FCF6-49AA-AA1D-39B756D76C19.jpeg
     
  19. COYI Sep 21, 2019

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    Avery nice example.
    Where did you find the hands, they're a good match for the dial?
    Did the bracelet come with the watch - if so it was a real steal?
     
  20. S.H. Sep 21, 2019

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    This is my opinion too. Too many "grey dials" on suspicious watches. My own for reference, printing is white:

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