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hmmmcamu
·ahhh PPL
My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.
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Davidt
·I deleted the post myself on the FB group ... too funny ... some ppl ... must make it clear to all they are to be noticed and add more to the message as oppose to understanding the intent the post was shared with others
Are you using google translate? I've no idea what you're trying to say?
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Mads
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Not sure if anyone is watching this auction but beware of the redial, replaced crown, and suspect bezel.
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels...serve-price-cal-601-ref-136-027-men-1960-1969
I did report it to Catawiki, as I was checking out this watch, but they answered after the lot ended and they are asking for more evidence... I already pointed out the suspicious details you all provided in here (grey text, dial in almost too mint condition, back engraving too deep, etc) so what more can I do (?)
And the email says if you/I do not send more evidence they will fall back and rely on their “expert’s” previous opinion.
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Mads
·Thanks for this overview Gemini4,
I am looking at a Seamaster 200 with a red second hand. Do you know about the history or legitimacy of this?
Any tips or leads appreciated.
I am looking at a Seamaster 200 with a red second hand. Do you know about the history or legitimacy of this?
Any tips or leads appreciated.
I don't see the 3-9 notches either?
In the 1960's, with the success of the of the Seamaster 300, 3rd generation divers, the 165.024 and 166.024, Omega began their series of "baby" divers, the SM120s. Cheaper, Smaller and lighter, 37mm as opposed to the 41mm SM300, the SM120s were initially produced in 4 references. Unlike the SM300 which were only automatic, manual movements were offered as well. 31mm ladies sizes too, (I don't have any of these but be careful as some sellers neglect to mention they are selling the tiny size!!)
THE FOUR REFERENCES:
135.027 Manual Movement, No Date, Caliber 601, 611
136.027 Manual Movement, with Date, Caliber 613
165.027 Auto Movement, No Date, Caliber 552
166.027 Auto Movement, with Date, Cailber 565
Below are pics of my SM120's. Most I think are fairly nice EXCEPT THE LAST EXAMPLE WHICH IS A BOGUS KNOCKOFF AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED!
I hope this is informative and corrections and comments are always welcome.
Ref 135.027
All 4 references appear to share the same case, 5.5mm crown, hands and matte bezel. The caseback Seahorse engraving appears to be the same on all 4 references as well.
Casebacks on the 135.027 and 136.027 are flat. Seahorse is lightly engraved as shown.
All original legitimate cases have notches at the 3 and the 9. This notch may be missing on bogus examples.
136.027
165.027 For me, the hardest of the 4 to source. Dial now includes "Automatic". Note the TT location on the dial is slightly different from the 135s
Caseback is now domed to make room for the movement rotor.
166.027s
THIS IS THE BOGUS 166.027!! It's plentiful, it's cheap. This was the first SM120 I bought. My mistake cost $500 before I realized there was a difference. Other than a Caliber 565 movement taken from another Omega, it's all bad
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Glossy bezel, wrong 4, different bezel font. Hands too short, Dial fonts and layout (Automatic is compressed). Black date on white background from the borrowed movement.
Caseback seamonster is incorrect. Engraving is too deep. Crown too small.
No case notch at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock.
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COYI
·The seconds hand should be white so the original has probably been painted or replaced.
That dial doesn't look great and is quite possibly water damaged.
That dial doesn't look great and is quite possibly water damaged.
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OMEGuy
·Batman lugs as described in another thread?
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uwsearch
·Seamaster 120 135.027 complete fake set
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OMEGA-SE...TE-WATCH-CASE-SET-CAL-601-SERIES/114024176886
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OMEGA-SE...TE-WATCH-CASE-SET-CAL-601-SERIES/114024176886
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X350 XJR
··Vintage Omega AficionadoReported and now removed, even though it was sold by the time I reported it. A second one they had has been removed as well.
Please keep posting this stuff here, even if it's one at a time, every one we can keep from becoming a complete watch and sold on as genuine is a service to the Omega community.
Please keep posting this stuff here, even if it's one at a time, every one we can keep from becoming a complete watch and sold on as genuine is a service to the Omega community.
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Malco
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I want to buy my first Omega 120.
I found one but I read this forum and now I’m very anxious... :/
Can you help me please ?
I’m not sure about the back of the watch...
thanks for everything !
Malcolm
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I'm not sure about the whole watch. Dial and hands... pictures in dayligh of dial? Side case? Looks like a fake dial. Otherwise relumed.
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·Definitely avoid this one as it is put together with fake parts
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·This is a common fake, the movement looks like a real Omega movement transplanted from another watch, but the dial text should be white (not grey) back is suspect, pip is wrong....stay away.
There were kits sold to make your own fake 120 and it provided everything except the movement- this is probably one of them
There were kits sold to make your own fake 120 and it provided everything except the movement- this is probably one of them
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