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Longines Special, newly aquired - update, pics!

  1. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 1, 2020

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    - Hi folks. I just aquired this Longines Special and I would appreciate what you have to say about it. I have not yet seen the movement but it should be the 27M movement. (My main interest is in marine chronometers.) It has a so called "sei tacche" back. Case is 33-34 mm and I asses the watch as all genuine, but I am no expert on these.
    Maybe it has been relumed. I intend to change the crystal and replace the strap.

    Here is a picture of the aquired watch. I also post a picture of a similar one in much worse condition.

    Longines Special.jpg

    And here is the watch with a deteriorated dial (no longer in my possession)

    Longines-cal-27M,-vit-tavla-33mm kopiera.jpg
     
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  2. DirtyDozen12

    DirtyDozen12 Aug 1, 2020

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    A very nice example. Maybe hands were re-lumed but they look good. Crown is the earlier style so watch is probably pre-1950. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  3. janice&fred

    janice&fred Aug 1, 2020

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    Boy I learn something new every day. To me they both look like redials.
     
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  4. SportChief

    SportChief Aug 1, 2020

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    I've never heard of the Longines "Special" until today so my first instinct would have been a redail, but they do appear to be authentic after looking at similar watches online.
     
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  5. DirtyDozen12

    DirtyDozen12 Aug 1, 2020

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    Indeed, these "Special" dials tend to lack the precise style of most, earlier sei tacche models.
     
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  6. SportChief

    SportChief Aug 1, 2020

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    Do you know what the "special" meant? Were they a more inexpensive model? Reminds me of fountain pen collecting. The Parker 51 Special had a steel alloy nib instead of 14k and a cheaper cap.
     
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  7. janice&fred

    janice&fred Aug 1, 2020

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    I don't know if it will help but my mom always called me special.
     
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  8. DirtyDozen12

    DirtyDozen12 Aug 1, 2020

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    Most I've seen were originally invoiced to Sweden. So maybe it was a marketing thing like Omega's "Suveran" and "Officer". All seem to have cal. 27M (a slimmer version of the 12.68Z) so I suppose that they could have been marketed as "special" in that regard.
     
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  9. SportChief

    SportChief Aug 1, 2020

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    We all are in our own ways ;)
     
  10. SportChief

    SportChief Aug 1, 2020

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    Thank you. That makes sense as Longines seemed to have a habit of that, hence the "Sport Chief," which seemed to be a line that was only offered in Sweden and Norway.
     
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  11. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 2, 2020 4:22am

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    I appreciate all answers, dear fellow forum members! I have also seen Special watches invoiced to Sweden. I think these watches were mainly sold in Sweden. I remember that the distributor in Sweden in those day´s was a company called Terasse.
    Longines.jpg

    Here is another Longines Special recently sold on the forum. Photographs by tomvox 1

    Source: https://omegaforums.net/threads/vin...”-cal-27m-sei-tacche-black-radium-dial.62557/

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    And another similar one but with no Special on the dial...

    Longines-2.jpg
     
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  12. DirtyDozen12

    DirtyDozen12 Aug 2, 2020 7:28am

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  13. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 2, 2020 10:26am

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  14. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 2, 2020 10:28am

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    And here is the back of the recent aquired Longines Special. The DNA is not mine as I have not yet recieved the watch :D

    Longines-Special-baksida.jpg
     
  15. Dan S

    Dan S Aug 2, 2020 11:26am

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    In some cases, I have seen the word "special" on the dial when the movement has a lower jewel count and/or more basic (i.e. money-saving) features. I don't know if it's completely accurate, but in the Ranfft archive, the cal 27M is listed with 15 jewels, while the cal 27.0 has 17 jewels and has a Breguet hairspring. Yes, the 27M is also thinner.

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Longines_27M
    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Longines_27_0
     
  16. imfagent449

    imfagent449 Aug 2, 2020 12:19pm

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    @Maskelyne - I have exactly the same model as the one in the picture - I used to wear it every day when studying.. The same squarish numerals. I always wondered why it has squarish numerals. It seems to have sold for a lot of money.

    I wish I remembered what condition mine was in.
     
  17. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 2, 2020 12:24pm

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    This gets exciting Dan and folks! Here is a picture of the movement (27M) and the belonging watch. Serial indicates circa 1951 and it has 17 jewels. Could there be a fault in Ranfft data.

    Longines-Special,-27M.jpg
     
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  18. Maskelyne

    Maskelyne Aug 2, 2020 12:29pm

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    Pics please...
     
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  19. DirtyDozen12

    DirtyDozen12 Aug 2, 2020 12:31pm

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    Ranfft is more of a guide than a comprehensive catalog. The 27M can be found with either 15 or 17 jewels, as with most of Longines' time-only calibers. Cal. 27.O ("O" standing for "or") was reserved for solid gold cases and therefore had higher end features like the Breguet overcoil hairspring and 17 jewels.
     
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  20. Dan S

    Dan S Aug 2, 2020 12:31pm

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    Oh well, so much for my idea. I'm not too surprised. It's pretty common to see variations of the same movement with different jewel counts, depending on when it was made, and to where it was exported. Roland's archive is an extraordinary piece of work, but it doesn't necessarily have every variation.