Longines dial transplant

Warthog · May 24, 2018

Larry S
I'd say that is an increasingly problematic aspect of this thing of ours.

That's a great question, Larry, despite the lack of transparency. Was this form of dial ever used in a tre tacche? Don't recall seeing this iteration before in a 3T, but also don't have the knowledge of some out there. I do like the way it turned out however....it's lovely.

PHPHD · May 24, 2018

I think people are concerned about the perceived ‘adding value’ that these swaps result in. If the dial was (hypothetically) switched from a Tre Tacche to a 32mm random case and sold at a lower price, I think there’ll be less concern. I personally don’t subscribe to that way of thinking and I honestly don’t mind these dial swaps (or parts swaps, eg a speedy’s pusher is damaged and the seller replaced it with a spare but completely original part) and I’d probably pay the same amount for the piece regardless, so long as it doesn’t affect the value of the piece in the future. The last condition is perhaps a moot point though - currently it looks like it does have a negative impact on pricing if disclosed.

dodo44 · May 24, 2018

I disagree with several of the statements made above. The diversity of dial configurations in Longines from the 40s is mind boggling. The chance that this random dial was born in a 35mm tre tacche of the correct year is near 0. The registry of Longines are quite complete and they sometimes have info on the dial configurations. Who knows, this watch may have been born with a black dial and gilt lettering. This franken watch is worth the price of its case, which is nowhere near $15k.

ulackfocus · May 24, 2018

Syrte
That's interesting. And why would that be?
Just because I have followed closely a certain brand /period of watches?
Isn't that true of a number of people here? Or do men enjoy certain privileges which women should not?

He's not talking about watches. He means that your spouse probably can't get away with anything due to your detective skills.

Syrte · May 25, 2018

Larry S
What is the sin here? Is the dial correct in its current case?

I think that is the whole debate. It was perfect in a 32mm case, and while it looks nice in the 35mm tre tacche it does appear small for it to my eyes (look at the wide white space between the track and bezel) and certainly not one of the dial designs usually seen on those watches.
Of course as said Longines has made many dials, and just because something is not standard does not mean it’s incorrect. However, and given the fact it’s not a standard tre tacche dial and the sizing issue, I too find the lack of disclosure a problem.

Syrte · May 25, 2018

U ulackfocus
He's not talking about watches. He means that your spouse probably can't get away with anything due to your detective skills.

I understood that, and I had a private discussion with a member about it. Both he and I could see the picture of the proverbial shrew with a rolling pin chasing after the tell tale clues of infidelity.
So I have to ask: would @Bumper have thought or said the same thing of a man posting the same thing?
I must admit I have no sense of humor with jokes hinting that women with brains must be scary/ pains in the arse/ unworthy of companionship. I’ve seen some of those jokes elsewhere and maybe it has tainted my reaction here.

However I don’t recall anyone making similar jokes about all of the male horology enthusiasts here who are detail oriented, and cannot back down from any argument. It’ll be interesting next time I post “boy, if I were your spouse I’d be quivering in my shoes”. Or “boy your spouse must be a saint”.

Larry S · May 25, 2018

Syrte
I think that is the whole debate. It was perfect in a 32mm case, and while it looks nice in the 35mm tre tacche it does appear small for it to my eyes (look at the wide white space between the track and bezel) and certainly not one of the dial designs usually seen on those watches.
Of course as said Longines has made many dials, and just because something is not standard does not mean it’s incorrect. However, and given the fact it’s not a standard tre tacche dial and the sizing issue, I too find the lack of disclosure a problem.

That makes perfect sense to me. Now I get it. Thanks....

Bumper · May 27, 2018

Syrte
I understood that, and I had a private discussion with a member about it. Both he and I could see the picture of the proverbial shrew with a rolling pin chasing after the tell tale clues of infidelity.
So I have to ask: would @Bumper have thought or said the same thing of a man posting the same thing?
I must admit I have no sense of humor with jokes hinting that women with brains must be scary/ pains in the arse/ unworthy of companionship. I’ve seen some of those jokes elsewhere and maybe it has tainted my reaction here.

However I don’t recall anyone making similar jokes about all of the male horology enthusiasts here who are detail oriented, and cannot back down from any argument. It’ll be interesting next time I post “boy, if I were your spouse I’d be quivering in my shoes”. Or “boy your spouse must be a saint”.

Sorry Syrte, i didn't mean any harm by it. Nor did i mean to insult you, women in general or horologists.

Syrte · May 28, 2018

Bumper
Sorry Syrte, i didn't mean any harm by it. Nor did i mean to insult you, women in general or horologists.

Appreciate that, thanks for the reply.

Syrte · May 31, 2018

Courtesy of our pal @DirtyDozen12 who posted this in the « Problems » thread, but remarkable enough to deserve reposting:
here’s a new installment of the series « The Wonderous travels of the lone Longines dial ».

Wrong black dial but offered on Instagram by the user @watchistry for the paltry sum of $3000 USD, much more than a perfect correct example is worth.
See below as posted by
@DirtyDozen12 what a correct Longines Marine Nationale dial looks like.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/beware-problem-longines-watches.41134/page-9

michael22 · May 31, 2018

I suppose he is jumping on the "black is better" bandwagon. Money will make people do strange things.

tefl · May 31, 2018

michael22
I suppose he is jumping on the "black is better" bandwagon. Money will make people do strange things.

Totally agree with you.

watchistry · Feb 17, 2019

Respectfully, I would like to state that I have never represented the black dial as being original to the watch. To be clear, I do not believe this black dial is original to this watch. Indeed all other MN Longines examples have white dials.

I purchased this watch with its black dial already in place, I still own this piece and it is not for sale. I have since sent the piece to Longines asking specifically for comment on the dial, and obtained a certificate of authenticity that was inconclusive on the dial (it only mentioned the dial as being brass, though I've seen other certificates confirming a white dial). Accordingly I do not have any information confirming the black dial as original, and therefore I would not represent it as original.

w154 · Feb 17, 2019

If you’re selling a watch for $3000 and you don’t believe the dial to be original, then shouldn’t you disclose that ? Or is it just buyer-beware ?

Syrte · Feb 17, 2019

watchistry
Respectfully, I would like to state that I have never represented the black dial as being original to the watch. To be clear, I do not believe this black dial is original to this watch. Indeed all other MN Longines examples have white dials.

I purchased this watch with its black dial already in place, I still own this piece and it is not for sale. I have since sent the piece to Longines asking specifically for comment on the dial, and obtained a certificate of authenticity that was inconclusive on the dial (it only mentioned the dial as being brass, though I've seen other certificates confirming a white dial). Accordingly I do not have any information confirming the black dial as original, and therefore I would not represent it as original.

Your comments are appreciated however as the screen grab shows, you did put up this watch for sale for the sum of 3000 US dollars without disclosing the fact that a black dial on a Longines Marine Nationale is competely incorrect - and for a price that is about twice the price reached on Ebay or other inter-collector market places for a perfect, entirely original piece.
Surely you must have been aware at the time that longines Marine Nationale watches are supposed to have white dials - considering the fact you have promoted on Intagram a book on Marine Nationale watches, and more generally are posting Marine Nationale examples of all brands and periods.
Appreciate the full disclosure nonetheless. Better late than never.

alam · Feb 17, 2019

these are called, the ever evolving rare dials..

😀

watchistry · Feb 17, 2019

w154
If you’re selling a watch for $3000 and you don’t believe the dial to be original, then shouldn’t you disclose that ? Or is it just buyer-beware ?

I absolutely disclosed the uncertainty around the dial to anyone who dm'd me for more details, as indicated in the post.