LEMANIA Chro27-C12 chronometer history help please…..

pierre3

I had in the past a bicompax Lemania CH27.

pierre3

2 counters, not bicompax of course

jsflog

Ciao @Bing813
Hai avuto una risposta da Breguet?
Sono un fan della Lemania, in particolare di questo specifico modello.
Ne ho una anch'io, non in condizioni eccellenti come la tua, ma comunque bella.
[ALLEGATO]1557549[/ALLEGATO]
[ALLEGA]1557551[/ALLEGA] [ALLEGA]1557552[/ALLEGA]

Sto cercando anche altri orologi come questi.

Finora ne ho trovati sette.

Speriamo di poter condividere qualche riflessione a riguardo.

Grazie
Giovanni

jsflog

Ciao @Bing813
Hai avuto una risposta da Breguet?
Sono un fan della Lemania, in particolare di questo specifico modello.
Ne ho una anch'io, non in condizioni eccellenti come la tua, ma comunque bella.
[ALLEGATO]1557549[/ALLEGATO]
[ALLEGA]1557551[/ALLEGA] [ALLEGA]1557552[/ALLEGA]

Sto cercando anche altri orologi come questi.

Finora ne ho trovati sette.

Speriamo di poter condividere qualche riflessione a riguardo.

Grazie
Giovanni

Northernman

Orologio interessante!
Ne ho visti un paio anche prima.

Ecco le foto di un altro esemplare. Notate il numero di serie del movimento ravvicinato.

Si può anche notare il codice di importazione statunitense a tre caratteri BOL. Questo indica che l'orologio era destinato alla vendita negli Stati Uniti.

In base al numero di serie, stimo che l'anno di produzione sia la seconda metà degli anni '40.

Swatch non ha mai voluto richiamare l'attenzione sul fatto che l'attuale manifattura Breguet è costruita su Lemania.
Se sono stati conservati dei documenti, devono trovarsi in qualche cantina o soffitta in Svizzera.
Finora non ho visto nulla che indichi che ci sia qualcosa di disponibile al pubblico.

jsflog

Nice find,

I had in the past in a watchuseek forum form 2009 seen that same watch, but only with two photos, and only with movement serial number.

Thanks for the post, I will update my database.

Unfortunately the seller only ships to USA, otherwise I would try to catch it, but as I am based in Europe, I will have to let it pass.

universemania

There is more to this story... see @Northernman's comment from earlier in this thread

This recent eBay lot has the same movement serial, 21233. Note the state of the dial in the original pictures, check the "10" values in the 6 o'clock and 3 o'clock registers and most notably the 3 o'clock register indices... why someone felt the need to do this is beyond me

ps @jsflog I was very interested in purchasing this piece until I noted the above but if you are still interested I would be happy to try to help you out, I am in the US. Not much rep here but can point to some trusted folks who may provide a reference.

jsflog

Didn't noticed that. So you consider the dial has been"touched" in order to improve it's appearance.

Don't you consider it can be based in the poor quality initial photos?

The dial has a "damage" at one hour clock mark, and that has not been repaired.

Anyway @universemania, thanks for being able to help me with acquiring this watch, but as I have already one, probably I will let it pass.

Thanks

universemania

@jsflog in my opinion, no I don't believe it is possible it is just due to the original photos being low quality. The only conclusions I can come to that would mean the dial was NOT touched are A) blemishes on the crystal in the original photos or B) dust/an obstruction on my places of the lens that took the original photos. These do not seem highly likely in my opinion.

The most obvious discrepancy to me is the index between 3 and 4 in the 6 o'clock subdial. In the original photos it is missing and suddenly it is back again. The "35" in the outer scale looks very different. There are several other discrepancies including the "10" in the 3 and 6 subdials mentioned previously and the much darker and more full indices on the right of the 3 o'clock subdial.

I agree it is strange that other more obvious areas of the watch weren't touched up which makes me wonder why someone would (allegedly) do this. What they thought they could get away with since they knew there were other photos going around? Not sure

Cheers

Vintage Lemania

I agree, it does look like someone "touched up" those bits on the subdials. That being said, it doesnt look poorly done in my opinion, so I could give it a pass, especially considering that there aren't (clearly) many of these chronometer marked Lemania chronographs floating around.

universemania

See my updated theory above, possibly a false alarm, I think it may just be a fresh crystal. Apologies for any unwarranted concern.

Agreed though, even if it was touched up it is not egregious and the piece is significant enough regardless.