LEMANIA Chro27-C12 chronometer history help please…..

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Hi @Northernman

On these Lemania, and several others in gold from Lemania, the hammer head mark with a number in it, the number is 105.

So the casemaker was:

Les Fils de Jules Blum, from 11.07.1934 to 16.05.1974.

Based on that assumption, I presume it will not be so easy to date them.

For the chronometer model, seems to me, there was two types of case.

One with larger lugs, on case serial 20400 and 20433, and other case with thinner lugs on case numbers 20547, 20531, 20527 and 20552.

Even so I am finding extremely difficult to date them, as per my research.

Movement serial number 21176, has the case number 20547
Movement serial number 21233, has the case number 20531.

So I found no logic on sequential case numbers, has a lower serial number movement, has a higher sequential case number.

I will keep digging.

Thanks,

João
I stand corrected!😬

As to case serial numbers I am leaning to the conclusion that Lemania did not put too much emphasis on this.
I would guess cases were bought in batches, and fitted with movements as orders came in.

They were first and foremost a movement manufacturer. Movement serial numbers from Lemania are seemingly much more consistent.
Movement numbers in the 20xxx range (according to my very unofficial lists) would date from 1946 to 1947.
Winston Churchill’s CH27 ref 177 had movement serial 12565. It was giftet to him in Switzerland on September 19th, 1946.
In 1948 Lemania switched to 6 digit serial numbers.

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So is it safe to say that this model is uncommon and should be worn on special occasion only??
 
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Personally being taller than 6 foot this beautiful watch would only look appropriate while wearing a nice suit or dress shirt. I’ve tried it on a cuff/bund and looks great with distressed leather. Just very dainty for my larger wrist
 
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I love mine, but the 14k YG case makes it too dressy for casual wear (at least for my tastes). I haven't worn mine in several years, but I have no plans to sell it. The 30mm case makes it sit a little high on the wrist as it is a bit thick. Beautiful little chronograph though.
 
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Very interesting following this thread so far. Hoping to be able to dig up some more info on these seemingly rare Lemania chronos.
 
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Movement numbers in the 20xxx range (according to my very unofficial lists) would date from 1946 to 1947.
A cross reference of Lemania movement serials with Tissot bridge serials on CH27 chronographs would place Lemania serials 20xxx-21xxx in 1945.
The same method suggests six-digit Lemania serials appeared as early as 1946.
 
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A cross reference of Lemania movement serials with Tissot bridge serials on CH27 chronographs would place Lemania serials 20xxx-21xxx in 1945.
The same method suggests six-digit Lemania serials appeared as early as 1946.
Not sure if Tissot and Lemania correlates? SSHI may have restarted Tissot and Lemania serials at about the same time? More Tissot than Lemania sold?

Few precise ways to date this. But 1946 and gift to Churchill is at least possible to confirm.

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I am sure it was my watch based on dial, and movement and case serial numbers.

But something very strange happened to the case

 
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Looks like some kind of gold oxidation from storage. Mine has been (for the most part) in storage since the end of 2018 and has developed a bit of the same patina between the lugs and around the pushers. I plan to have it cleaned/polished out once I get the watch serviced.
 
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Figured I would bump this thread. Anyone else have further information on these? I will likely have mine serviced soon, and I hope to have some photos of it fully disassembled. I'll try to post some of those here.
 
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Figured I would bump this thread. Anyone else have further information on these? I will likely have mine serviced soon, and I hope to have some photos of it fully disassembled. I'll try to post some of those here.
Unfortunately no, I could not find any other.
Please share some photos of yours Lemania fully disassembled, it is always nice to see those movements "naked".
Thanks
 
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Unfortunately no, I could not find any other.
Please share some photos of yours Lemania fully disassembled, it is always nice to see those movements "naked".
Thanks
Will do. I would love to know how many of these exist/existed originally. If there were more out there id imagine a good number have been lost to time (water damage, cases melted down/scrapped). The 30mm case (which mine is) is quite interesting.
 
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From what I can tell by trying to dig some info on my Omega Ref. 2279 Cal 321 is that the watch I have is based on the same Lemania movement yours have.
Omega used to purchase this movement from Lemania back in the days, up to the point they acquired it from Lemania and became an Omega movement. I don’t know if what I’m saying is fully correct but it’s worth sharing to get some other opinions.
In the other hand, they’re quite similar watches
 
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From what I can tell by trying to dig some info on my Omega Ref. 2279 Cal 321 is that the watch I have is based on the same Lemania movement yours have.
Omega used to purchase this movement from Lemania back in the days, up to the point they acquired it from Lemania and became an Omega movement. I don’t know if what I’m saying is fully correct but it’s worth sharing to get some other opinions.
In the other hand, they’re quite similar watches
Definitely the same movement. The CH27 (Lemania) led to the 321.
 
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Here it is disassembled for service. Should have it back by the end of the month. Not the best photo, but still neat to see. The photo is courtesy of Grand Central Watch.
 
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My Lemania has finally been completed (was undergoing a much deserved servicing for a month and a half). Figured you all would enjoy seeing some additional pics. All pics are courtesy of Grand Central Watch. This is the first service it has had in at least 10 years (bought it in 2015 with an unknown service history).

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Discovered another example, almost looks NOS. This one was sold on a japanese site (most of the description is not in english). The movement serial was blanked out so not sure of the number..but this can be added to the list of known examples.