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Landed a (special) Vintage Seamaster Chronograph
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My God that's just horrible !
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorThe second similar dial is the Soccer timer roulette dial so worth a look at more.
Many have a thick coat of paint which could have the circles underneath but due to the thicker red and black paint.
Definitely the same subdial arrangement.
Many have a thick coat of paint which could have the circles underneath but due to the thicker red and black paint.
Definitely the same subdial arrangement.
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gatorcpa
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My comment is — look at the lume! It’s all over the dial. Would Omega accept workmanship that poor?
Now looking at this example, which I believe to be genuine, maybe they did!
That said, the paint on this dial is very, very thick. If the sub-dial originally had the guilloche circles, it very well could have partially filled them it. I will admit that much.
The difference between the 146.016 and .019 seems to be the rotating internal bezel. I think that all of the grey “soccer” dials are the same, regardless on which reference it was used.
My objection to your first dial is the “Omega” name which is poorly spaced and of a different font than all of the others shown here.
Your dial is indeed a unique Unicorn, because only one was made.
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Now looking at this example, which I believe to be genuine, maybe they did!
That said, the paint on this dial is very, very thick. If the sub-dial originally had the guilloche circles, it very well could have partially filled them it. I will admit that much.
The difference between the 146.016 and .019 seems to be the rotating internal bezel. I think that all of the grey “soccer” dials are the same, regardless on which reference it was used.
My objection to your first dial is the “Omega” name which is poorly spaced and of a different font than all of the others shown here.
Your dial is indeed a unique Unicorn, because only one was made.
gatorcpa
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kov
·My comment is — look at the lume! It’s all over the dial. Would Omega accept workmanship that poor?
On a sample, certainly. Who cares? It’s a rough draft.
Now looking at this example, which I believe to be genuine, maybe they did!
Thanks.
I think that all of the grey “soccer” dials are the same, regardless on which reference it was used.
Let me kindly disagree. I think it’s more than obvious the dials are different.
My objection to your first dial is the “Omega” name which is poorly spaced and of a different font than all of the others shown here.
Here I can only agree. But it can concur with the draft theory.
I have another sample dial where lots of things are « wrong », the blue one, that one was checked and confirmed sample at Omega... And it’s okay if the drafts are partially « wrong » : they would have been improved / corrected on the final mass produced version.
Your dial is indeed a unique Unicorn, because only one was made.
That’s what I thought of the blue dial. Till I find a second one, strictly identical. 😉
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorI give up. Believe what you like.
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MaiLollo
·On a sample, certainly. Who cares? It’s a rough draft.
Thanks.
Let me kindly disagree. I think it’s more than obvious the dials are different.
Here I can only agree. But it can concur with the draft theory.
I have another sample dial where lots of things are « wrong », the blue one, that one was checked and confirmed sample at Omega... And it’s okay if the drafts are partially « wrong » : they would have been improved / corrected on the final mass produced version.
That’s what I thought of the blue dial. Till I find a second one, strictly identical. 😉
One point that can be made against the sloppiness in the "OMEGA" (mainly the spacing between the M & E) is that a prototype would be made by the guys that were producing regular production models, so quality in writing should be similar?
Is it normal that the font in the subdials does not seem to be from the same period to the one on the outer track?
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igloe
·It’s been a while I didn’t land something really special 😀
A couple of months ago @The Master of Speed pointed me towards some photographs he found on the web, saying he never saw such a dial before. I had a look and realized this was something really new to my eyes as well.
I managed to contact the owner who wasn’t willing to sell his watch but noted my interest for an eventual later conversation. A month later, while I was desperately browsing the web searching for another example of that watch, the owner got back to me saying if I was ready to pay his (super fair) asking the watch was mine. Bingo!
Next challenge was to get it back to Switzerland from the other side of the world... Indonesia... @sliceoftime_ has been of a great help for my due dilligence and vouched for the seller who he happened to personally know. 👍
Two weeks of travel, delay, unexpected FedEx statuses, customs scrutiny, conversations and (quite some) stress, the unicorn has finally arrived.
Big eyes at 3 & 9, double scale, small counter at 6, tritium indexes, no T swiss made
Everything is so special and so different from the regular Seamaster Chronographs we already know.
The champagne radial Seamaster was listed for sale. Now it’s clear it will stay with me - too much joy in putting them aside and play the spot the differences game. 😀
With this incredible find I think my 2019 is done. Now time for family and year end celebrations with a really special Seamaster on my wrist 😎
P. S: Happy SpeedyTuesday 😁
P. S. 2: Will update the 145.006 / 145.016 Seamaster Chronograph Research Thread later, when I get more infos about it 😀
P. S. 3: Huge thanks to the fellow collectors and friends who have been very helpful in routing this watch to me. Great community 👍
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DirtyDozen12
··Thanks, mystery donor!In my view, a striking issue that remains is the outer track and tachymeter scale. The brush marks are coarse, a significant departure from the deftness that is evident on the other dial that you present for comparison. Furthermore, the printing appears to lack the delicacy and precision of the original. As @MaiLollo mentioned, surely this dial would have been produced by the same company that made other dials for Omega at the time. So, why such a departure? Is the serial number earlier than all other examples? Even if a new type of dial with different sub-dials was being tested, why change the tachymeter font? Could they not use the same, engraved, metal plate to print that part of the dial? Even other brands (see below) seem to have tachymeter scales that resemble those found on Omegas. Lastly, what evidence is there to support the "prototype" claim? The dial is certainly anomalous but making the leap to "prototype" seems lofty, IMHO. I do appreciate the discussion, though.
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DirtyDozen12
··Thanks, mystery donor!Another Soccer Timer dial to consider. I think that a dial such as this could be a candidate for the base.
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ConElPueblo
·To my eyes that's a redial, not a prototype/sample. If it was a pre-production dial, it would be the sloppiest looking one I have ever seen 😵💫
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kov
·Another Soccer Timer dial to consider. I think that a dial such as this could be a candidate for the base.
Same uneven concentric circles 👍
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·If it was a pre-production dial, it would be the sloppiest looking one I have ever seen 😵💫
If we manage to meet one day Troels I will show you my archives of pre-prod dials of different Seamasters and Speedmasters. You might change your mind then 😉
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Willbur
·What is the opinion of the seller ?
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ConElPueblo
·If we manage to meet one day Troels I will show you my archives of pre-prod dials of different Seamasters and Speedmasters. You might change your mind then 😉
Always ready to learn 👍
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Andy K
·Here I can only agree. But it can concur with the draft theory.
I have another sample dial where lots of things are « wrong », the blue one, that one was checked and confirmed sample at Omega... And it’s okay if the drafts are partially « wrong » : they would have been improved / corrected on the final mass produced version.
That’s what I thought of the blue dial. Till I find a second one, strictly identical. 😉
Do you have side by side pics of the identical blue dials?
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