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bubu16
·My response above was for Gator
Landed a (special) Vintage Seamaster Chronograph
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kov
·Don't the hr and minutehands look like a bit of the Speedy Mark II though?
The hands are identical to the 145.016 White soccer time dial 😉
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorYou mean a new dial configuration than the original one?
you wipe everything but you don’t change the size of the subdials, do you?
It is possible that a die for the multiple outside registers was used by a related brand, but I haven't seen an Omega that uses such a combination. Plenty more to look at here: https://www.google.com/search?q=Omega 861 chronograph 145.016&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0l-GfuL3mAhWyV98KHTmqBqkQ_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1920&bih=937
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kov
·Interesting.
A quick look will only allow to compare with models that made it into production. No surprise if nothing comparable shows up, the outcome is in line with my sample theory so far.
My next step will be to bring it to Omega and see what they think 😀 Will for sure share the news, whatever they are 😉
A quick (but not definitive) look at other Omega cal. 861 chronographs show that the Omega versions tend to have only one specialty register outside of the hour markers.
A quick look will only allow to compare with models that made it into production. No surprise if nothing comparable shows up, the outcome is in line with my sample theory so far.
My next step will be to bring it to Omega and see what they think 😀 Will for sure share the news, whatever they are 😉
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Walrus
·I like putting something up and getting these guys to analyze any faults. I’ve done it once or twice. Either way imo that is an excellent looking watch that is a great addition to the box.
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airansun
·Hmm...
I want to be okay with it
but I can’t. I don’t think that’s factory.
Just my, not in-hand, opinion. I’m less knowledgeable than many who have already weighed in and I usually place complete reliance on @kov ’s research.
But, that’s what my eyes see...
I look forward to hearing what Bienne says.
🍿
Btw, it is beautiful!
I want to be okay with it
but I can’t. I don’t think that’s factory.
Just my, not in-hand, opinion. I’m less knowledgeable than many who have already weighed in and I usually place complete reliance on @kov ’s research.
But, that’s what my eyes see...
I look forward to hearing what Bienne says.
🍿
Btw, it is beautiful!
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorBlow-up of a blow-up.
You can see the remnants of the original guilloche inside the sub-dial.
Compare with this original dial:
No way the OP’s dial is original, “prototype”, or another brand’s dial.
It is a redial.
gatorcpa
You can see the remnants of the original guilloche inside the sub-dial.
Compare with this original dial:
No way the OP’s dial is original, “prototype”, or another brand’s dial.
It is a redial.
gatorcpa
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorHave you had the back off. Is there dial feet.?
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Buck2466
·Also, the Mark's at 5 and 15 on the minutes subdial bleed into the sundial quite a bit.
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whyboddau
·Could it be a soccer time dial redial? In my eyes, the soccer time dial has the big eye 3 and 9 with a smaller 6. 👎
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BenBagbag
·I think the concentric circles being filled in somewhat is a good giveaway that this dial was tampered with. The marks on subdials also seem uneven, as others have said.
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Theluglife
·can you open the caseback and check the reference?
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kov
·Could it be a soccer time dial redial? In my eyes, the soccer time dial has the big eye 3 and 9 with a smaller 6. 👎
Bingo.....
Interesting path. But the soccer time dial has no concentric circles 😀 why the remnants as @gatorcpa suggested above?
This is an original Omega Seamaster dial yes, but this is not the dial that could have served as a base for an eventual redial. The subdial you showed is much smaller, not a big eye 😉
Very interesting to get (totally) different opinions from different people and places. Keep them coming. Looking fwd to get some time to talk to the Heritage Team.
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorCircles on the left sub dial
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-kyotoya-shop/item/15402004/
( but as you say mystery on which dial but at least two models with sub dial lay out )
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/auc-kyotoya-shop/item/15402004/
( but as you say mystery on which dial but at least two models with sub dial lay out )
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kov
·And again we learn something new 👍 I have never noticed concentric circles on some Soccer Time dials, yet. Great !
Note that I saw somewhere a dial comparison between the SoccerTime 145.016 and the 145.019 and it looked like the dials are different. (If I remember well, the minute track is slightly different) Maybe the 019 had the circles, which would be in line with your example.
@gatorcpa these concentric circles don't look very sharp as well, your comments on that? 😀
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kov
·Note that I saw somewhere a dial comparison between the SoccerTime 145.016 and the 145.019 and it looked like the dials are different. (If I remember well, the minute track is slightly different) Maybe the 019 had the circles, which would be in line with your example.
Just a quick comparison :
( http://www.luxuwrist.com/uploads/2/7/7/6/27766927/s490097580971589483_p263_i33_w2560.jpeg )
No concentric circles here.
( https://shop.r10s.jp/auc-kyotoya-shop/cabinet/tokei/01623868/06262056/imgrc0074961677.jpg )
Concentric (uneven) circles are present.
Definitely a different dial. The minute track is much closer to the subdials on the 019 to allow space for inner bezel. Indeed it even overrides the subdial at 9.
Both watches have the same calibre (861).
--> so I believe we can exclude the Soccer Time 145.016 from the possible base for redial.
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