Ladies Omega Dynamic 684

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I just received the dial and hand set for my spare 566.015 case.
The seller accepted a BIN of 68UKP plus shipping charges as noted. Took forever to get here due to the UK postal strikes. Just arrived late yesterday. I ordered it when the pound hit rock bottom.
Been waiting weeks for it, which is not good for my eBay/Goodwill addiction...
I have a 671 movement in a case I do not like so am going to do a movement swap, with a 161.014 case that has a ratty dial.
This was discussed on the things with springs chat. What they call a fantasy watch. I may keep an eye out for another 671 movement. In the mean time, I will have a watch that I am more likely to wear, even if it is gold. The main issue will be that the 566.015 case may be for a calendar movement, so expecting the taller dial than the 671. May need to change the case clamps.

I ordered a male split stem today. I have another ladies Dynamic which I am working on that had a broken female stem. I got a new crown and stem, so have the extra crown. I bought this case, as I fell in love with the green strap that was on it. This case is also missing the threaded ring that holds the strap. eventually I will need to locate one of those. I think the threads are too fine for my lathe. I think I mentioned I do have a threading option, but lack the skill to make it work. Might be able to turn a temporary retainer from delryn and force thread it.

I want to make my own strap for this as I have access to a laser cutter. Thinking perhaps denim, although I have some red leather left over from a pipe organ.

Sweep hands for this model are going to be hard to find. Why I took a pass on your watch in favor of the one from Moldava. oFrie does list the regular hands, but no sweep. I have a seamaster 566.001 with an incorrect sweep. oFrei did have a sweep for nearly 40USD. When I went to double check the listing, it was no longer online.

I would encourage you to see if you can make a sweep hand. That is the sort of thing I would try to do. I did start to make clock hand with my CNC years ago, and just found it. There is a book called 21st century watchmaking, by the same guy who wrote the Esembl-O-Graph books. I keep meaning to write a review of it. I bought a spare lathe and all the grinding attachments. Diamond hone etc... Like many of my projects this ballooned into yet another big project. Grinding and polishing takes a lot of time and patience.

A hand could probably be ground out of an old piece of broken mainspring. Matching the tolerances of the stamped part is going to be really tricky.

good luck.
 
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I just received the dial and hand set for my spare 566.015 case.
The seller accepted a BIN of 68UKP plus shipping charges as noted. Took forever to get here due to the UK postal strikes. Just arrived late yesterday. I ordered it when the pound hit rock bottom.
Been waiting weeks for it, which is not good for my eBay/Goodwill addiction...
I have a 671 movement in a case I do not like so am going to do a movement swap, with a 161.014 case that has a ratty dial.
This was discussed on the things with springs chat. What they call a fantasy watch. I may keep an eye out for another 671 movement. In the mean time, I will have a watch that I am more likely to wear, even if it is gold. The main issue will be that the 566.015 case may be for a calendar movement, so expecting the taller dial than the 671. May need to change the case clamps.

I ordered a male split stem today. I have another ladies Dynamic which I am working on that had a broken female stem. I got a new crown and stem, so have the extra crown. I bought this case, as I fell in love with the green strap that was on it. This case is also missing the threaded ring that holds the strap. eventually I will need to locate one of those. I think the threads are too fine for my lathe. I think I mentioned I do have a threading option, but lack the skill to make it work. Might be able to turn a temporary retainer from delryn and force thread it.

I want to make my own strap for this as I have access to a laser cutter. Thinking perhaps denim, although I have some red leather left over from a pipe organ.

Sweep hands for this model are going to be hard to find. Why I took a pass on your watch in favor of the one from Moldava. oFrie does list the regular hands, but no sweep. I have a seamaster 566.001 with an incorrect sweep. oFrei did have a sweep for nearly 40USD. When I went to double check the listing, it was no longer online.

I would encourage you to see if you can make a sweep hand. That is the sort of thing I would try to do. I did start to make clock hand with my CNC years ago, and just found it. There is a book called 21st century watchmaking, by the same guy who wrote the Esembl-O-Graph books. I keep meaning to write a review of it. I bought a spare lathe and all the grinding attachments. Diamond hone etc... Like many of my projects this ballooned into yet another big project. Grinding and polishing takes a lot of time and patience.

A hand could probably be ground out of an old piece of broken mainspring. Matching the tolerances of the stamped part is going to be really tricky.

good luck.

Well, all I can say is well done you and I'm disappointed. I also offered a bid on the red dial and hands as I thought they would be a good investment and way to go for the money and make the watch appearance like new. I offered a little more than you, but did try and include postage which I thought was excessive. That's the Yorkshireman in me. I will follow your progress and look forward to seeing it finished.

As for mine, I have just about GB £100 in mine which I'm happy with and I am enjoying the challenge. I will continue to see if I can add the sweep hand but I am also now pondering making the rear mount for a bracelet fixing although my wife is now looking at the different coloured straps she can get, so that's a bonus.

Good luck, with your stuff and if I can help at all just drop me a message. I will post another picture when its complete, serviced, and cleaned.
 
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Well, all I can say is well done you and I'm disappointed. I also offered a bid on the red dial and hands as I thought they would be a good investment and way to go for the money and make the watch appearance like new. I offered a little more than you, but did try and include postage which I thought was excessive. That's the Yorkshireman in me. I will follow your progress and look forward to seeing it finished.
I did not realize BIN offers were competitive. I made the offer on whim, as I was looking for the ladies 566.001 hand on oFrei. That one uses the 681 movement. I simply offered what it would have cost from the materials house.

did a search on the 066TP1413 reference and nothing came up. I suspect this is the most often lost part after the crown and crystal, and the easiest to damage.

As for mine, I have just about GB £100 in mine which I'm happy with and I am enjoying the challenge. I will continue to see if I can add the sweep hand but I am also now pondering making the rear mount for a bracelet fixing although my wife is now looking at the different coloured straps she can get, so that's a bonus.
I think I have about 250 to 300USD 'invested.' in my Rusty Valjoux Heuer. I think about 150 of that is shipping and taxes. And I am still going to need the minute register jumper. I do have the book and tools for making this part. Downside is the time. The author claims an hour and a half to grind it out. I think for me it would be more like a week or a month, especially as I would need to learn the grinding system all over again.

The easy to swap strap on the geneve dynamic is one of the reasons I decided to go for this style. Too bad the laser cutter can not carve metal (the reflected light damages the head.) Most metal is cut with either water, plasma or EDM which is a sort of controlled plasma. The surfaces in any case need to still be ground and polished.

Probably why I went to pipe organs. I got a thickness sander, and wood is much easier to mill out with a router, and can be laser cut.


Good luck, with your stuff and if I can help at all just drop me a message. I will post another picture when its complete, serviced, and cleaned.
 
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I did not realize BIN offers were competitive. I made the offer on whim, as I was looking for the ladies 566.001 hand on oFrei. That one uses the 681 movement. I simply offered what it would have cost from the materials house.

did a search on the 066TP1413 reference and nothing came up. I suspect this is the most often lost part after the crown and crystal, and the easiest to damage.

I think I have about 250 to 300USD 'invested.' in my Rusty Valjoux Heuer. I think about 150 of that is shipping and taxes. And I am still going to need the minute register jumper. I do have the book and tools for making this part. Downside is the time. The author claims an hour and a half to grind it out. I think for me it would be more like a week or a month, especially as I would need to learn the grinding system all over again.

The easy to swap strap on the geneve dynamic is one of the reasons I decided to go for this style. Too bad the laser cutter can not carve metal (the reflected light damages the head.) Most metal is cut with either water, plasma or EDM which is a sort of controlled plasma. The surfaces in any case need to still be ground and polished.

Probably why I went to pipe organs. I got a thickness sander, and wood is much easier to mill out with a router, and can be laser cut.

I don't think the bids are competitive, he just didn't accept mine. The Heuer sounds interesting. TIME is our biggest enemy and it doesn't get better the older you get.
 
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So with all my current passion for this watch's big brother, I decided to look at these again. Also assisted by mad impulse buying of estate watchmaker lots.

I got the courage to open the Moldova watch and it was NOT a 671. Turns out it was a 630. More research. The base caliber here is 620. 630 is the sweep variation, 670 the automatic, 671 auto sweep through the 684 I also have which is lots of jewels date and everything.

625 and 635 should not even be in the list. (may be a few shared set works parts.) The plates are completely different.




Case wise the 535.015, 565.015 and 566.015 are identical. Some even have the multiple number stamped inside.


I thought perhaps with the calendar 566.015 would be deeper or something for the dyle.

When I got the Moldova watch I quickly got a new crystal and a lift. Even a spare crystal with a chip in it, which I used to practice with the tool. Thanks to these OF forums and the back catalogs, I think I have some of the crystal 'secret codes figured out."

063 means crystal. PZ means silver ring. Where it gets interesting is this case can take either 5116 or 5117. Difference being the height. So the calendar takes a taller crystal to account for the date works.

PY and PX seem to be gold colored rings. There are many threads here detailing this. Usually for specific instances of a given watch.

I have been missing the case clamps. In the 67x/68x lot listings were some 620.1911 clamps. 620.1974 might be a bit closer to the Modova clamps, but t he differences are subtle. Probably to clear the cutouts.

By chance I found my GF 620-3/1 parts list binder has 'Brides des fixation 1961' in the first part. This though only goes as far as 1961. I wonder if the base digit '6' is a decadel reference. The 3's seem to be from the 1930s, the 4s from the 1940s, 5 from the 1950s ans so forth, until like piano roll numbering which stop in the 1930s the numbers just keep counting semi randomly. Back in the day many companies had 30 year plans, so the corporate decade may not be the same as the civil one.

Ordering case clamps is a crap shoot anyway. The charts say 332.1911 should fit case 2576/2577 for a 351 movement. What I actually get is closer to 470.1911 or 332.1975. Packages are opened so the markings are invalid. And I have watches what do use the stubby ones.



Of course these are for the larger 25 through 28mm calibers. The same issues happen with the 620 stuff, which is pretty much any small ladies watch.

The pages do have the 'Brides' sorted by caliber, then by case number. Does make the term 'marriage' when doing the 'victor F' thing take on some strange imagery.

At the moment ca 630 movements are not popular on the auction sites. 620 gives a lot of hits. That though has no sweep, and I like sweep. I have actually been actively looking for a 671 cheap and naked, for over a year or more. These seem to be in pre quartz gents watches, which are probably the most affordable vintage watches on the market, so the prices are creeping up as the supply dwindles after 70 years.

The 4xx ladies stuff, especially the oval ones seem to pop up for under 30$ from time to time. I guess those are the more disposable variants. Cases scrapped as many were wear once watches.

The 'ladymatic' movement, is an amazing piece of engineering. I think the 484 might be a bit smaller.

It gets even more fun, as the 5x5 designation repeats in different unrelated usages. I nabbed the 505 movement thinking it was a version of the 565 movement. And this is a 565 case which can also be a 566 case, depending on the crystal

I am sure glad I have OF to keep all this straight.