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Flip
·30t2 vs 265 same family movement depending on the full 30 mm designation ....
30t2
265. 30T3
Kind regards
Just how rare is this ?
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François Pépin
·As far as rarity is concerned, I would not base my analysis on sellers add. As per your watch in particular, it seems rather uncommon but I prefer to wait pics of the movement and the back before making any further comments.
Best regards,
François
Best regards,
François
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Bill Sohne
··Bill @ ΩFI came across the following sale whilst researching this. Can I draw your attention to the Lot Essay write up below where it states these large cases are rare with 30T2’s fitted and as previously mentioned they are usually fitted with the 265 cal. Please see attached.
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I would take that auction sales essay with a grain of salt . I think you are reading too much into it. Also I have seen many people refer to all 28x and 26x as 30t2 ....... just lack of detail... better to say 30 mm omega movement in general....
You have a nice watch , now we need to wait on your photos of movement and inside case back to make a determination.
Good hunting
Bill
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Dan S
·Hi @Flip
I would take that auction sales essay with a grain of salt . I think you are reading too much into it. Also I have seen many people refer to all 28x and 26x as 30t2 ....... just lack of detail... better to say 30 mm omega movement in general....
You have a nice watch , now we need to wait on your photos of movement and inside case back to make a determination.
Good hunting
Bill
I can't see the auction write-up, but 30T2 movements in jumbo cases aren't terribly uncommon, 2505s often came with 30T2 movements for example, despite what the OVD says.
Of course, the more qualifiers you add, then the more rare it is. So if you are asking about 30T2 movements in rose gold jumbo cases with both Swiss and French hallmarks, then yes, that is probably fairly uncommon. But so are a lot of other things.
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·FYI proper watchmaker tool to open a case back like that would be a single edge razor blade .... but you need experience to use that tool .
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··Vintage Omega AficionadoThe truly rare jumbos are the ones with the first run 30mm movements. And if you want to classify it as a manual wind jumbo so are the prototype Railmasters with swan neck regulators. And maybe some of the jumbo RGs in Erich's book. The 39-40mm case versions are uncommon like ref. 2808. Same with the TA RAF '53 watches. Ref. 2505 is plentiful.
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·Well I bit the bullet, I wish I hadn’t 😁
Good news and bad
Good News, followed @Bill Sohne advice and used a razor blade without damaging the case. I took my time and didn’t force it at all just slowly worked the razor blade round till it popped off, phew 😀
Ok, it’s not an Omega case 🙁 and the movement is a 265 (11M)
It is stamped 18k,7.50 along with a few other marks. It surely can’t be French if it’s stamped with a French Import mark
I’ve been looking for any info on these marks inside the case but without success, hopefully someone will recognise them ?
Here you go. Kind regards, Gary
Good news and bad
Good News, followed @Bill Sohne advice and used a razor blade without damaging the case. I took my time and didn’t force it at all just slowly worked the razor blade round till it popped off, phew 😀
Ok, it’s not an Omega case 🙁 and the movement is a 265 (11M)
It is stamped 18k,7.50 along with a few other marks. It surely can’t be French if it’s stamped with a French Import mark
I’ve been looking for any info on these marks inside the case but without success, hopefully someone will recognise them ?
Here you go. Kind regards, Gary
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·Here are the stamps inside the case, assume 1st one is the makers mark ?
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·At this point, it seems like that case could be anything. Just something that the movement was inserted into by someone. Even locally-cased Omega watches generally have the Omega stamp inside IIRC.
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·At this point, it seems like that case could be anything. Just something that the movement was inserted into by someone. Even locally-cased Omega watches generally have the Omega stamp inside IIRC.
Unfortunately an unsigned national production case makes it a lot less interesting to collectors. Still an attractive watch though 😀
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·At this point, it seems like that case could be anything. Just something that the movement was inserted into by someone. Even locally-cased Omega watches generally have the Omega stamp inside IIRC.
Not quite, this one doesn’t
Whatever, it is still an oddity. Why would it be imported into France instead of being cased there ? Bizarre
https://omegaforums.net/threads/no-reference-30t2pc.123945/
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·Not quite, this one doesn’t
Whatever, it is still an oddity. Why would it be imported into France instead of being cased there ? Bizarre
https://omegaforums.net/threads/no-reference-30t2pc.123945/
That's a common watch, fortunately for the buyer. For the OP watch, I think it may require some real research on your part, if you're interested in doing that. Otherwise, just enjoy an attractive watch.
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François Pépin
·Not a good news I am afraid... Sorry for you. The dial is nice and the case size is too. But this is not a truly collectible item as the case has no real traceability.
The stamp looks like the one you find in South America cases, maybe less sharp and in an odd way. The triangle hallmalk could be an Omega one, erased by the time, but I do not like its shape.
I guess you have to enjoy the dial, the size and - if it can be confirmed - the gold content. Not so bad after all, even if it is not a particularly rare watch.
The stamp looks like the one you find in South America cases, maybe less sharp and in an odd way. The triangle hallmalk could be an Omega one, erased by the time, but I do not like its shape.
I guess you have to enjoy the dial, the size and - if it can be confirmed - the gold content. Not so bad after all, even if it is not a particularly rare watch.
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·Not a good news I am afraid... Sorry for you. The dial is nice and the case size is too. But this is not a truly collectible item as the case has no real traceability.
The stamp looks like the one you find in South America cases, maybe less sharp and in an odd way. The triangle hallmalk could be an Omega one, erased by the time, but I do not like its shape.
I guess you have to enjoy the dial, the size and - if it can be confirmed - the gold content. Not so bad after all, even if it is not a particularly rare watch.
Yes it’s a stunner for sure and the case is 18k gold, it’s origin is in question not whether it is gold.
The Owl hallmark confirms that it’s gold.
I don’t think the case is South American either, it would make no sense at all and the quality is far superior compared to others.
It can’t be French made either as it clearly has a French import mark, but it’s likely European.
Hopefully someone can confirm?
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·Could you show a better pic of the owl hallmark? Is there another hallmark on the bezel or the lugs?
This hallmark is used to provide a garanty about foreign products, in particular the ones with an unknown origin. It will be difficult, with the data we have, to provide further information about the maker of the case.
This hallmark is used to provide a garanty about foreign products, in particular the ones with an unknown origin. It will be difficult, with the data we have, to provide further information about the maker of the case.
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·This is the best I can do. I can see it clear under a loope but can’t photograph it unfortunately
Saying that you can see it is the owl hallmark from this, what isn’t clear in the photo is the number which is 44.
There are no other marks apart from inside the caseback which I have already shown.
There are 2 points that make me believe this is not a South American case
1. There are no stamps on the outer caseback
2. Why would a watch cased and assembled there then be imported into France when the French were already in the habit of making cases and assembling Omegas themselves ?
Saying that you can see it is the owl hallmark from this, what isn’t clear in the photo is the number which is 44.
There are no other marks apart from inside the caseback which I have already shown.
There are 2 points that make me believe this is not a South American case
1. There are no stamps on the outer caseback
2. Why would a watch cased and assembled there then be imported into France when the French were already in the habit of making cases and assembling Omegas themselves ?
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·It makes me wonder whether this watch belongs in this thread
https://omegaforums.net/threads/fab-suisse-roll-call.20625/page-5#post-1691281
It was after all imported into France
Could the case be French ? Could it have been made and assembled there then taken to the Assay office as a complete watch ? Information on this hallmark suggests it is a guarantee mark for gold standard stamped on a complete item, maybe it was used on imported items but also French items assembled and complete when produced for assessment?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/fab-suisse-roll-call.20625/page-5#post-1691281
It was after all imported into France
Could the case be French ? Could it have been made and assembled there then taken to the Assay office as a complete watch ? Information on this hallmark suggests it is a guarantee mark for gold standard stamped on a complete item, maybe it was used on imported items but also French items assembled and complete when produced for assessment?
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·Thank you for the pics. Have your tried to photograph the hallmark through your eyeglass?
I cannot see anything but will assume it is a regular French "Hibou", even if I do not understand the 44 number. In this case, it cannot be a French made case, neither a watch assembled in France from foreign pieces. The Owl were used - and is still used nowadays - to garanty that foreign products or products with no clear origin are in gold. So it is possible that a French item has this hallmark, but only if its origin is unknown, i. e. if it has no other hallmark, which is not the case here. I will add that since 1994 the owl is used for second hand products with unknown or foreign origin. So an owl on a watch can be added after it had been made.
I cannot say where your case has been made, and I am not sure anyone can - I may be wrong of course. But from the data you gave, I do not see any reason to exclude a South America origin: not all the watches from there had a 750 on the outer case back, and the owl hallmark would make as much sense in this case as if it came from a European country.
I cannot see anything but will assume it is a regular French "Hibou", even if I do not understand the 44 number. In this case, it cannot be a French made case, neither a watch assembled in France from foreign pieces. The Owl were used - and is still used nowadays - to garanty that foreign products or products with no clear origin are in gold. So it is possible that a French item has this hallmark, but only if its origin is unknown, i. e. if it has no other hallmark, which is not the case here. I will add that since 1994 the owl is used for second hand products with unknown or foreign origin. So an owl on a watch can be added after it had been made.
I cannot say where your case has been made, and I am not sure anyone can - I may be wrong of course. But from the data you gave, I do not see any reason to exclude a South America origin: not all the watches from there had a 750 on the outer case back, and the owl hallmark would make as much sense in this case as if it came from a European country.
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