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·´Can anybody give me some information about the connection of Jaeger and Universal during this period?
Jaeger Universal Chrono 1930´s / 1940´s
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·You've probably read this one already, but it shouldn't hurt to share either...
https://goldammer.me/blogs/articles...YqJUvcAvVO346Q2p-P_mBBY3fpDExjoB4CayUyo6PyPej
https://goldammer.me/blogs/articles...YqJUvcAvVO346Q2p-P_mBBY3fpDExjoB4CayUyo6PyPej
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·It's easy, although Universal Geneve owned a small percentage of Martel (the house that made most of the UG chrono movements), Martel, sold movements to many other Swiss watch makers (Jaeger, Girard Peregaux, Cartier, Zenith and Movado are some}. I believe that although martel did not directly provide movements to Patek Phillipe, they did provide expertise and technology to build their in house movements.
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerThey did more than just sell movements. Zenith , Jaeger and GP chrono's have serials which fit 100% in the UG production
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·Yeah... I would say
Yeah, I would say "easy"... is anything easy with vintage UG?
I would also point to an example with an Extract from JLC that surfaced some time ago - I don't have it here now but I'm sure @Mark020 probably remembers, in which the specifically and I guess officially say "UG 285 movement", without any mention of Martel
It's easy, although Universal Geneve owned a small percentage of Martel (the house that made most of the UG chrono movements), Martel, sold movements to many other Swiss watch makers (Jaeger, Girard Peregaux, Cartier, Zenith and Movado are some}. I believe that although martel did not directly provide movements to Patek Phillipe, they did provide expertise and technology to build their in house movements.
I would also point to an example with an Extract from JLC that surfaced some time ago - I don't have it here now but I'm sure @Mark020 probably remembers, in which the specifically and I guess officially say "UG 285 movement", without any mention of Martel
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·*I wouldn't
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerOk but the value of these extracts is 0 IMHO
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·Ok but the value of these extracts is 0 IMHO
I could not agree more with Mark020. Extracts are as reliable as the author which is likely to have copied the information that was put on a cig packet by someone that heard it though the grapevine.
There is a very high probability that if it was not signed Jaeger, it was replaced with a UG movement which would easier to find and a straight swap as they are exactly the same ...
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·This was the original post:
It is difficult to know without having a look inside that case and not knowing the history of said extract and how it was obtained, but don't you think them writing Universal there means there was a direct business relationship with UG, and not only Martel?
Also Mark's argument regarding the UG production serials that some of these watches definitely came with.
https://omegaforums.net/posts/2052051/
Mark020 ·
First time I saw one of these with an extract: Jaeger 22446 with UG 285 https://auctionet.com/sv/2405455-ja...-ca-1945-caliber-285-universal/images#image_8
It is difficult to know without having a look inside that case and not knowing the history of said extract and how it was obtained, but don't you think them writing Universal there means there was a direct business relationship with UG, and not only Martel?
Also Mark's argument regarding the UG production serials that some of these watches definitely came with.
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerThis watch was IMHO produced by UG. The reference, serial and movement serial fit exactly into the UG production table
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·This watch was IMHO produced by UG. The reference, serial and movement serial fit exactly into the UG production table
https://everywatch.com/jaeger-lecoultre/classic/watch-15931809
This is an example, but I've seen a few, usually pink or yellow gold, in a range roughly around 120xxx–155xxx, but also with UG/Martel movements... 🤯
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerI think (later) French case
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··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer
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·Incredible work...
The "cases with the french cases" are difficult, I think the movements are usually numbered also in a system different from UG's, and I'm not sure if there are a lot of Jaeger-specific experts from the era to help us out with that.
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·A little more confusion into the mix:
I hadn't seen anything like this.
There are a few listings of these Cadreclair chronos, but usually not very descriptive, and sadly without mov photos.
Could this really be a 285 Cadreclair via Jaeger via UG via Martel ?? 🤣🤣
I hadn't seen anything like this.
There are a few listings of these Cadreclair chronos, but usually not very descriptive, and sadly without mov photos.
Could this really be a 285 Cadreclair via Jaeger via UG via Martel ?? 🤣🤣
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerThat movement number suggests a Jaeger 12246/7 😀
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·That movement number suggests a Jaeger 12246/7 😀
I think this is the first ref ever on OF to this brand, which tells a lot already lol
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