Jaeger Universal Chrono 1930´s / 1940´s

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divetime

·Sep 5, 2021

´Can anybody give me some information about the connection of Jaeger and Universal during this period?

 

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gatorcpa

·Sep 5, 2021·ΩF InvestiGator

https://omegaforums.net/threads/phi...rave-new-world-again.30456/page-2#post-346068

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bgrisso

·Sep 5, 2021

divetime

´Can anybody give me some information about the connection of Jaeger and Universal during this period?

beautiful watch. Jeanneret case

 

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·Feb 22, 2026

You've probably read this one already, but it shouldn't hurt to share either...

https://goldammer.me/blogs/articles...YqJUvcAvVO346Q2p-P_mBBY3fpDExjoB4CayUyo6PyPej

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 23, 2026

It's easy, although Universal Geneve owned a small percentage of Martel (the house that made most of the UG chrono movements), Martel, sold movements to many other Swiss watch makers (Jaeger, Girard Peregaux, Cartier, Zenith and Movado are some}. I believe that although martel did not directly provide movements to Patek Phillipe, they did provide expertise and technology to build their in house movements.

 

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Mark020

·Feb 23, 2026·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

They did more than just sell movements. Zenith , Jaeger and GP chrono's have serials which fit 100% in the UG production

 

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·Feb 23, 2026

Yeah... I would say

Diabolik

It's easy, although Universal Geneve owned a small percentage of Martel (the house that made most of the UG chrono movements), Martel, sold movements to many other Swiss watch makers (Jaeger, Girard Peregaux, Cartier, Zenith and Movado are some}. I believe that although martel did not directly provide movements to Patek Phillipe, they did provide expertise and technology to build their in house movements.

Yeah, I would say "easy"... is anything easy with vintage UG?
I would also point to an example with an Extract from JLC that surfaced some time ago - I don't have it here now but I'm sure @Mark020 probably remembers, in which the specifically and I guess officially say "UG 285 movement", without any mention of Martel

 

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·Feb 23, 2026

*I wouldn't

 

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Mark020

·Feb 23, 2026·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Ok but the value of these extracts is 0 IMHO

 

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Diabolik

·Feb 23, 2026

Mark020

Ok but the value of these extracts is 0 IMHO

FYI - Martel makes the movements and provides the movement with a signed bridge with the logo of the etache (UG, Jaeger, Girard etc).

I could not agree more with Mark020. Extracts are as reliable as the author which is likely to have copied the information that was put on a cig packet by someone that heard it though the grapevine.

There is a very high probability that if it was not signed Jaeger, it was replaced with a UG movement which would easier to find and a straight swap as they are exactly the same ...

 

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·Feb 23, 2026

This was the original post:

https://omegaforums.net/posts/2052051/

Mark020 · Sep 20, 2022

First time I saw one of these with an extract: Jaeger 22446 with UG 285 https://auctionet.com/sv/2405455-ja...-ca-1945-caliber-285-universal/images#image_8

It is difficult to know without having a look inside that case and not knowing the history of said extract and how it was obtained, but don't you think them writing Universal there means there was a direct business relationship with UG, and not only Martel?
Also Mark's argument regarding the UG production serials that some of these watches definitely came with.

 

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Mark020

·Feb 23, 2026·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

This watch was IMHO produced by UG. The reference, serial and movement serial fit exactly into the UG production table

 

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·Feb 23, 2026

Mark020

This watch was IMHO produced by UG. The reference, serial and movement serial fit exactly into the UG production table

What do you think of a few that come just with a six digit serial?

https://everywatch.com/jaeger-lecoultre/classic/watch-15931809

This is an example, but I've seen a few, usually pink or yellow gold, in a range roughly around 120xxx–155xxx, but also with UG/Martel movements... 🤯

 

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Mark020

·Feb 23, 2026·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

I think (later) French case

 

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Mark020

·Feb 23, 2026·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

See here as well: https://omegaforums.net/threads/som...ers-and-batches-from-1944.189963/post-2569318

 

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·Feb 23, 2026

Mark020

See here as well: https://omegaforums.net/threads/som...ers-and-batches-from-1944.189963/post-2569318

Thanks, I think I need to increase caffeine levels a little bit before I take a dive at that one 😁
Incredible work...
The "cases with the french cases" are difficult, I think the movements are usually numbered also in a system different from UG's, and I'm not sure if there are a lot of Jaeger-specific experts from the era to help us out with that.