Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!

larryganz · Nov 13, 2019

marshian79
Hello all,

I just picked up the pictured Seamaster 2225.80 and wanted to run it through the "real or fake" machine. Keeping with advice on this forum, I "bought the seller" just as much as the watch and am hoping the reviews and open communication translate to an authentic piece. Appreciate your insights.

Despite the low res pics, I don't see anything alarming about the watch that would say it's not real. I've seen a fake caseback, and the hypocampus on the fake was too flat and not as rounded and 3D as the real deal (like yours). The bezel pip also looks proper, and dial doesn't seem off either. Best way to know is to open it up.

marshian79 · Nov 15, 2019

larryganz
Despite the low res pics, I don't see anything alarming about the watch that would say it's not real. I've seen a fake caseback, and the hypocampus on the fake was too flat and not as rounded and 3D as the real deal (like yours). The bezel pip also looks proper, and dial doesn't seem off either. Best way to know is to open it up.

Thank you Larry. I need to get the links adjusted so I will also have them open it up and take a look as well.

Strangedream · Nov 15, 2019

ZeGanso
Hei, thanks!

How did you spot it?

Cheers,

The movement is a dead give-away, even the font on the rotor doesn't match. The shade of orange is a tad too light, the back bezel shouldn't have engraved marking, on the back of the lugs you should have markings but there's none on your watch. Fake 100%.

Steveblue1970 · Nov 16, 2019

Hi all. Yes a newbie with an ebay purchase. It's arriving on Monday. As its a Geneve I gather these are not the desirable models to fake. I did all my due diligence and researched the life out of it but of course only have photos to go off.

It's a 1970 Geneve Cal 601 9ct Gold. I would be interested in everyone's opinion and thoughts.
I would be extremely surprised if it is fake but I'm not a conisseur.

Appreciate your posts in advance.

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larryganz · Nov 18, 2019

Steveblue1970
Hi all. Yes a newbie with an ebay purchase. It's arriving on Monday. As its a Geneve I gather these are not the desirable models to fake. I did all my due diligence and researched the life out of it but of course only have photos to go off.

It's a 1970 Geneve Cal 601 9ct Gold. I would be interested in everyone's opinion and thoughts.
I would be extremely surprised if it is fake but I'm not a conisseur.

Appreciate your posts in advance.

I'm not a vintage expert, but I don't believe that it's fake - I just can't say things about the hands or crown being original, etc.

JimInOz · Nov 19, 2019

Looks fine to me.

Zard · Nov 21, 2019

Greetings all, super newbie here. Just picked up a geneve hand wind. It was meant to be a gift but after a bit of research I'm not sure about its authenticity any more. Its reference number is 135041, I looked it up the database and though it has a similar design some details are different. Please see the photos and I appreciate all your opinion and thoughts.

JimInOz · Nov 21, 2019

Zard
Greetings all, super newbie here. Just picked up a geneve hand wind. It was meant to be a gift but after a bit of research I'm not sure about its authenticity any more. Its reference number is 135041, I looked it up the database and though it has a similar design some details are different. Please see the photos and I appreciate all your opinion and thoughts.

Completely authentic. It's possible it was re-dialed in the past and that's why the "Genève" is missing, but with only those photos I can't tell for sure.

Based on the photos, it looks to be in good condition.

Dholmblad · Nov 21, 2019

Found this forum while discussing buying a watch from a redditor, found a photo they shared was posted here. Turns out the guy was trying to scam me.. the serial numbers didnt match up.

mickszym · Nov 21, 2019

Hi folks,

I've always wanted the Spectre but the price tag on the ones available on Chrono is just a bit too much. Yesterday I was offered a second-hand one for a pretty good price because it is without the Nato strap, box, nor papers. Normally I would go and get it checked at AD but it is not really an option this time. Too me this looks pretty gen but I know there are crazy good fakes of this watch so I figured I would ask the experts. Please let me know what you think.

Thank you!
M.

Zard · Nov 21, 2019

JimInOz
Completely authentic. It's possible it was re-dialed in the past and that's why the "Genève" is missing, but with only those photos I can't tell for sure.

Based on the photos, it looks to be in good condition.

Thanks! The seller told me it’s been in storage for years and it is in a good condition and doesn’t look like is from the late 60, 70s. Was there like a super basic us version of the Geneve back then? I kinda like the minimalistic design of it tbh

Iuca · Nov 23, 2019

Hi. I'm interested in buying my first omega watch. I found a listing on chrono24 of a private seller, the price of the watch is a little bit cheaper then others of this type as it doesn't have box/papers I assume.

It's an omega seamaster professional as far as I can tell, the actual reference number is 213.30.42.40.01.001.

Here are a couple of photos of the watch, share your thoughts on whether it's genuine or fake please?

larryganz · Nov 23, 2019

I Iuca
Hi. I'm interested in buying my first omega watch. I found a listing on chrono24 of a private seller, the price of the watch is a little bit cheaper then others of this type as it doesn't have box/papers I assume.

It's an omega seamaster professional as far as I can tell, the actual reference number is 213.30.42.40.01.001.

Here are a couple of photos of the watch, share your thoughts on whether it's genuine or fake please?

I don't see any red flags in the watch.

kip595 · Nov 23, 2019

Any thoughts on how the following looks? Something about the caseback seems to needle at my brain, and the dial almost looks too good, although it is listed with box and papers. Redial, or a sock drawer find? What do our vintage experts say, "is it live or is it Memorex?"

Annnnd now that I feel ancient for even remembering that slogan, does this look kosher to you guys?

X350 XJR · Nov 23, 2019

kip595
Any thoughts on how the following looks? Something about the caseback seems to needle at my brain, and the dial almost looks too good, although it is listed with box and papers. Redial, or a sock drawer find? What do our vintage experts say, "is it live or is it Memorex?"

Annnnd now that I feel ancient for even remembering that sloan, does this look kosher to you guys?

A nice original watch.

kip595 · Nov 24, 2019

X350 XJR
A nice original watch.

That was my first reaction, but we all know how way too often if it looks too good to be true...etc.

Revised: The seller has no docs indicating the box and so on are original to the watch, and the crown seems to be a generic replacement (Trying to get images of that) But that being said, anyone have a reasonable value suggestion? I feel the seller is a bit high, but also want to give them a realistic offer.

P.S. Please feel free to PM me if this follow-up query should be moved, since I am reasonably certain now nothing is being intentionally faked.

OMTOM · Nov 25, 2019

Fake Omega crystal balls and 'antique' clocks

A common appearance on eBay are fake Omega crystal balls – and other (falsely-claimed) antique Omega clocks. Here are three current examples:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-OM...350053?hash=item1f0656fbe5:g:qtYAAOSwoJhd2qSn

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Ma...829151?hash=item3b3c01eb1f:g:0vEAAOSw9oVdvw~v

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-Magn...850429?hash=item262ca6413d:g:8n0AAOSwCXBd2SKt

I guess this is not too serious a matter because anybody contemplating buying such a clock would presumably easily be able to spot it as a fake and ignore it. But I offer these comments just in case...

The seller of the third of these even goes as far as claiming that his clock is:
GENUINE OMEGA
SWITZERLAND MADE 1882
Sorry, but this is not true!

The manufacturers of these fakes mark them as ‘Switzerland made – 1882’. There are various ways in which Swiss watches are marked – but I am not aware of any SWISS watches that are marked ‘Switzerland made’. Regarding the date 1882, any quick check of Omega history would reveal this as a joke.

The sellers show their clocks as being “Age: Antique, Pre-1900” – which is of course rubbish. The movements that are shown of these fakes bear no resemblance to any Omega movement – and furthermore the earliest Omega movements with sweep/centre-seconds didn’t arrive until the mid-1930s.

The fake that follows is marked ‘Made in Switzerland since 1856’ – but this one is shown as being automatic!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Vi...244188?hash=item420d048f5c:g:OmAAAOSwf~NdkIYY

Here are further examples of current advertisements of (so-called) Omega clocks – similarly fake:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...328835?hash=item2887c1fb83:g:YtMAAOSwFoZdOcr9

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Cl...=1238196470698374d1d6614e4ad9b91df18c373a618f

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...386449?hash=item2882841691:g:zS4AAOSw3-xdOcvb

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-Vinta...168918?hash=item2886421296:g:yQcAAOSwg2xdeTjB

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miniatur...879342?hash=item3b3649d72e:g:BtoAAOSwcZ9dPt-I

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swiss-Om...877192?hash=item3647441148:g:wx0AAOSw~8JcWwas

The sad thing is that Omega really did make some beautiful crystal balls (from about 1895 onwards, using the 30’’’ and later the 27’’’ ‘Goliath’ movement). Many were made – but they are of course vulnerable, so not so many survive. Similarly, there were some beautiful Omega clocks – which used not only the ‘Goliath’ movements but from 1926 also the 59-8D movement. But these weren’t automatic and didn’t have centre-seconds!

JimInOz · Nov 25, 2019

OMTOM
Fake Omega crystal balls and 'antique' clocks.........................!

Thanks for an amusing foray into these little "gems" Tom.

I always found the "Swit..................zerland" to be so funny it's almost sad.

I've messaged a few sellers when they indicate "rare antique" etc and usually get a snotty reply.
But it's good fun yanking their chain until I report them 😁.

Darkhorse · Nov 25, 2019

Decided to post here for thoughts since I found this listing on a German forum and I'm worried I'm translating something in the descriptions wrong. 🙁. Thoughts on the below piece? A '92 SM.

Meme-Dweller · Nov 25, 2019

genuine Speedy

Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!

larryganz

marshian79

Strangedream

Steveblue1970

larryganz

JimInOz

Zard

JimInOz

Dholmblad

mickszym

Zard

Iuca

larryganz

kip595

X350 XJR

kip595

OMTOM

JimInOz

Darkhorse

Meme-Dweller

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