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Is this watch real or fake thread - aka Fake Busters!!

  1. larryganz The cable guy Nov 13, 2019

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    Despite the low res pics, I don't see anything alarming about the watch that would say it's not real. I've seen a fake caseback, and the hypocampus on the fake was too flat and not as rounded and 3D as the real deal (like yours). The bezel pip also looks proper, and dial doesn't seem off either. Best way to know is to open it up.
     
  2. marshian79 Nov 15, 2019

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    Thank you Larry. I need to get the links adjusted so I will also have them open it up and take a look as well.
     
  3. Strangedream Nov 15, 2019

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    The movement is a dead give-away, even the font on the rotor doesn't match. The shade of orange is a tad too light, the back bezel shouldn't have engraved marking, on the back of the lugs you should have markings but there's none on your watch. Fake 100%.
     
  4. Steveblue1970 Nov 16, 2019

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    Hi all. Yes a newbie with an ebay purchase. It's arriving on Monday. As its a Geneve I gather these are not the desirable models to fake. I did all my due diligence and researched the life out of it but of course only have photos to go off.


    It's a 1970 Geneve Cal 601 9ct Gold. I would be interested in everyone's opinion and thoughts.
    I would be extremely surprised if it is fake but I'm not a conisseur.

    Appreciate your posts in advance.

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  5. larryganz The cable guy Nov 18, 2019

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    I'm not a vintage expert, but I don't believe that it's fake - I just can't say things about the hands or crown being original, etc.
     
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  6. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Nov 19, 2019

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    Looks fine to me.
     
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  7. Zard Nov 21, 2019

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    Greetings all, super newbie here. Just picked up a geneve hand wind. It was meant to be a gift but after a bit of research I'm not sure about its authenticity any more. Its reference number is 135041, I looked it up the database and though it has a similar design some details are different. Please see the photos and I appreciate all your opinion and thoughts.
     
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  8. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Nov 21, 2019

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    Completely authentic. It's possible it was re-dialed in the past and that's why the "Genève" is missing, but with only those photos I can't tell for sure.

    Based on the photos, it looks to be in good condition.
     
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  9. Dholmblad Nov 21, 2019

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    Found this forum while discussing buying a watch from a redditor, found a photo they shared was posted here. Turns out the guy was trying to scam me.. the serial numbers didnt match up.
     
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  10. mickszym Nov 21, 2019

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    Hi folks,

    I've always wanted the Spectre but the price tag on the ones available on Chrono is just a bit too much. Yesterday I was offered a second-hand one for a pretty good price because it is without the Nato strap, box, nor papers. Normally I would go and get it checked at AD but it is not really an option this time. Too me this looks pretty gen but I know there are crazy good fakes of this watch so I figured I would ask the experts. Please let me know what you think.

    Thank you!
    M.
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  11. Zard Nov 21, 2019

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    Thanks! The seller told me it’s been in storage for years and it is in a good condition and doesn’t look like is from the late 60, 70s. Was there like a super basic us version of the Geneve back then? I kinda like the minimalistic design of it tbh
     
  12. Iuca Nov 23, 2019

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    Hi. I'm interested in buying my first omega watch. I found a listing on chrono24 of a private seller, the price of the watch is a little bit cheaper then others of this type as it doesn't have box/papers I assume.

    It's an omega seamaster professional as far as I can tell, the actual reference number is 213.30.42.40.01.001.

    Here are a couple of photos of the watch, share your thoughts on whether it's genuine or fake please?
     
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  13. larryganz The cable guy Nov 23, 2019

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    I don't see any red flags in the watch.
     
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  14. kip595 Nov 23, 2019

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    Any thoughts on how the following looks? Something about the caseback seems to needle at my brain, and the dial almost looks too good, although it is listed with box and papers. Redial, or a sock drawer find? What do our vintage experts say, "is it live or is it Memorex?"

    Annnnd now that I feel ancient for even remembering that slogan, does this look kosher to you guys?

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  15. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Nov 23, 2019

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    A nice original watch.
     
  16. kip595 Nov 24, 2019

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    That was my first reaction, but we all know how way too often if it looks too good to be true...etc.

    Revised: The seller has no docs indicating the box and so on are original to the watch, and the crown seems to be a generic replacement (Trying to get images of that) But that being said, anyone have a reasonable value suggestion? I feel the seller is a bit high, but also want to give them a realistic offer.

    P.S. Please feel free to PM me if this follow-up query should be moved, since I am reasonably certain now nothing is being intentionally faked.
     
  17. OMTOM Nov 25, 2019

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    Fake Omega crystal balls and 'antique' clocks

    A common appearance on eBay are fake Omega crystal balls – and other (falsely-claimed) antique Omega clocks. Here are three current examples:
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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-OM...350053?hash=item1f0656fbe5:g:qtYAAOSwoJhd2qSnPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Ma...829151?hash=item3b3c01eb1f:g:0vEAAOSw9oVdvw~vPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-Magn...850429?hash=item262ca6413d:g:8n0AAOSwCXBd2SKtPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    I guess this is not too serious a matter because anybody contemplating buying such a clock would presumably easily be able to spot it as a fake and ignore it. But I offer these comments just in case...

    The seller of the third of these even goes as far as claiming that his clock is:
    GENUINE OMEGA
    SWITZERLAND MADE 1882

    Sorry, but this is not true!

    The manufacturers of these fakes mark them as ‘Switzerland made – 1882’. There are various ways in which Swiss watches are marked – but I am not aware of any SWISS watches that are marked ‘Switzerland made’. Regarding the date 1882, any quick check of Omega history would reveal this as a joke.

    The sellers show their clocks as being “Age: Antique, Pre-1900” – which is of course rubbish. The movements that are shown of these fakes bear no resemblance to any Omega movement – and furthermore the earliest Omega movements with sweep/centre-seconds didn’t arrive until the mid-1930s.

    The fake that follows is marked ‘Made in Switzerland since 1856’ – but this one is shown as being automatic!
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Vi...244188?hash=item420d048f5c:g:OmAAAOSwf~NdkIYYPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
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    Here are further examples of current advertisements of (so-called) Omega clocks – similarly fake:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...328835?hash=item2887c1fb83:g:YtMAAOSwFoZdOcr9Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Cl...=1238196470698374d1d6614e4ad9b91df18c373a618fPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...386449?hash=item2882841691:g:zS4AAOSw3-xdOcvbPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-Vinta...168918?hash=item2886421296:g:yQcAAOSwg2xdeTjBPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Miniatur...879342?hash=item3b3649d72e:g:BtoAAOSwcZ9dPt-IPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swiss-Om...877192?hash=item3647441148:g:wx0AAOSw~8JcWwasPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    The sad thing is that Omega really did make some beautiful crystal balls (from about 1895 onwards, using the 30’’’ and later the 27’’’ ‘Goliath’ movement). Many were made – but they are of course vulnerable, so not so many survive. Similarly, there were some beautiful Omega clocks – which used not only the ‘Goliath’ movements but from 1926 also the 59-8D movement. But these weren’t automatic and didn’t have centre-seconds!
     
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  18. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Nov 25, 2019

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    Thanks for an amusing foray into these little "gems" Tom.

    I always found the "Swit..................zerland" to be so funny it's almost sad.

    I've messaged a few sellers when they indicate "rare antique" etc and usually get a snotty reply.
    But it's good fun yanking their chain until I report them :D.
     
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  19. Darkhorse Nov 25, 2019

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    Decided to post here for thoughts since I found this listing on a German forum and I'm worried I'm translating something in the descriptions wrong. :(. Thoughts on the below piece? A '92 SM.

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  20. Meme-Dweller Nov 25, 2019

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    genuine Speedy