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What's everyone else think?
There is a lot wrong with this one.

It for sure has a service dial and I’m almost completely confident a service/replacement moon disc. The hands look to be tritium but without lume decay shots, can’t say that with full confidence, though I do believe they are tritium. The case has been refinished. It has service pushers, so I would speculate a service crown as well. A replacement case back too, which is why it looks off to you- The Omega logo is wrong (see pics below for comparison) and the tool notches are slightly larger. But on top of all of this, it lacks the important and expensive 1447/805 original bracelet. It has an Uncle Seiko bracelet on it, which, on top of everything else I mentioned above, will of course greatly affect the price.

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Two other examples for comparison

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Thanks @Scarecrow Boat! This is super helpful. I'm trying to train myself up to better about catching these issues, but I'm still in the 'this looks funny to me, but I'm not sure why' phase of my watch collecting education.

Like, the moon disc looks like it has more texture than the examples in Moonwatch Only, but I couldn't sort out if it's just different lighting for the photos. It would make sense that maybe it's variation in texture on recent service parts.
 
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Thanks @Scarecrow Boat! This is super helpful. I'm trying to train myself up to better about catching these issues, but I'm still in the 'this looks funny to me, but I'm not sure why' phase of my watch collecting education.

Like, the moon disc looks like it has more texture than the examples in Moonwatch Only, but I couldn't sort out if it's just different lighting for the photos. It would make sense that maybe it's variation in texture on recent service parts.
Yeah, of course. This is a grail reference for me. And yeah, the moon disc texture was the flag for me. The texture and vibrancy of the paint compared to other genuine examples and the MWO reference, make me almost 100% confident it’s a replacement part. I’m 98% sure it is.

Haha, so, I typed out my entire original response before I read the listing description… I just read it while typing this response, and there is one line of the whole description that is written in English.

“The watch was restored after water damage. It have many new parts. Dial is a service dial.”

Which, now makes me 100% confident the moon disc is also a replacement. I’m less confident about the hands now. They have a quality to them that make me believe they are still vintage tritium (the white paint is subdued and there seems to be an element of patina to them. The minute hand has an uneven patina to them, which all make me believe they are tritium) just not original to the watch.
 
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Though, I typed out my entire original response prior to reading the listing description. I just read it and there is one line of the whole description that is written in English.

“The watch was restored after water damage. It have many new parts. Dial is a service dial.”

D'oh!!! Sorry, I could have noticed that and saved everyone a lot of time and energy ::facepalm1::
 
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D'oh!!! Sorry, I could have noticed that and saved everyone a lot of time and energy ::facepalm1::
Hah! It’s okay, I always like doing a little bit of investigative research. And its fun getting confirmation that what I said was accurate 😁
 
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New here, a big hello to all.. Looking to jump into the deep end! Loving the look of the older Moonwatches, itching to purchase via an auction. Will post photos if I succesfully secure a buy! I am presuming that reputable auction houses would not be pushing fakes or bitsa watches.. I suppose this journey will aid with the steep learning curve.. More fun than playing on the stock market, a dud can still make for nice paper weight!
 
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I am presuming that reputable auction houses would not be pushing fakes or bitsa watches..
You would hope so but that isn’t always the case. You will need to do your due diligence before purchase. If you really want help, you will need to post pictures before your purchase. Not after.

Maybe you have seen this watch?
https://www.phillips.com/detail/omega/CH080221/53?fromSearch=speedmaster&searchPage=1

Sold for 3 million. Complete parts watch with a fabricated history.
 
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You would hope so but that isn’t always the case. You will need to do your due diligence before purchase. If you really want help, you will need to post pictures before your purchase. Not after.

Maybe you have seen this watch?
https://www.phillips.com/detail/omega/CH080221/53?fromSearch=speedmaster&searchPage=1

Sold for 3 million. Complete parts watch with a fabricated history.

Not as old, more late 60's early 70's, like this one:

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It looks straight, with some charm but who knows, just dipping my toes into this intriguing world of micro detail..
 
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Not as old, more late 60's early 70's, like this one:

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It looks straight, with some charm but who knows, just dipping my toes into this intriguing world of micro detail..
There are several things I don’t like about this watch, but most specifically, it’s the shape of the case between the lugs. Maybe it’s the endlinks? (The bracelet isn’t correct for this watch fyi). The endlinks look to be 20mm at their widest and correctly fit between the lugs (shown by the red arrows) but there is a taper that creates a gap (shown by the circle). That taper could be from possibly mangled endlinks… or the case was reshaped.

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This lugs makes me believe it was the case. The inner wall of the lug looks slightly angled (not bent)

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If you want help from Speedmaster aficionados, you’ll want to create a new thread in the vintage section. You don’t have to post a link to the auction. Just share as many detailed photos as you can, and as much info as you know, and others will weigh in.
 
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There are several things I don’t like about this watch, but most specifically, it’s the shape of the case between the lugs. Maybe it’s the endlinks? (The bracelet isn’t correct for this watch fyi). The endlinks look to be 20mm at their widest and correctly fit between the lugs (shown by the red arrows) but there is a taper that creates a gap (shown by the circle). That taper could be from possibly mangled endlinks… or the case was reshaped.

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This lugs makes me believe it was the case. The inner wall of the lug looks slightly angled (not bent)

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If you want help from Speedmaster aficionados, you’ll want to create a new thread in the vintage section. You don’t have to post a link to the auction. Just share as many detailed photos as you can, and as much info as you know, and others will weigh in.

Thank you, I had a feeling that the strap was not the correct type but the case looked pretty straight. As per your suggestion, I have started a new thread.. Interesting days ahead..
 
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Hey all, Is this watch real or fake? It was gifted to me as a kid ive had it for many years i wore it through high school (loved the constant complements) its been in storage for a long time now since the crown winder stopped working & 1 of the smaller hands fell off the dial, The closest thing i can find to it is the tintin but its also slightly different , I want to get it cleaned up and repaired but im afraid that if its sent to omega i wont get it back if its not genuine, I would miss this dial too much to risk losing it entirely.
 
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Hey all, Is this watch real or fake? It was gifted to me as a kid ive had it for many years i wore it through high school (loved the constant complements) its been in storage for a long time now since the crown winder stopped working & 1 of the smaller hands fell off the dial, The closest thing i can find to it is the tintin but its also slightly different , I want to get it cleaned up and repaired but im afraid that if its sent to omega i wont get it back if its not genuine, I would miss this dial too much to risk losing it entirely.
Its fake
 
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Hey all, Is this watch real or fake? I want to get it cleaned up and repaired but im afraid that if its sent to omega i wont get it back if its not genuine, I would miss this dial too much to risk losing it entirely.
It’s a fake, 100%. I’m assuming it was intended to be a fake of the Japan Racing Speedy.

It’s highly unlikely you’ll find anyone willing to work on it, as it is fake. And honestly, it’s not worth the time/money.
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Good afternoon, can I get your expert opinions on this planet ocean. Everything about it to me looks genuine. The box, paperwork etc, but you just never know. Pictures taken late last night as it was changing date.

have a great day
 
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Ran across this surfing and I have no idea about modern Omegas.

Typical zero feedback I was give this by my dad seller.

Do I need to report this one.

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Ran across this surfing and I have no idea about modern Omegas.

Typical zero feedback I was give this by my dad seller.

Do I need to report this one.
The watch in the photos is real. That sellers motives and story? Unknown 😒

That seller just joined eBay a couple days ago.. they could be legit and in need of money, but as long as prospective buyers use caution and pay only through eBay’s approved methods, they will be okay.
 
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Hi all,

I picked up this triple date recently and just noticed the bracelet seems a bit different than those I see on the internet. The center of the links look polished instead of the alternating polished and brushed. Could it mean this is a fake?

Thanks,
 
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Good afternoon, can I get your expert opinions on this planet ocean. Everything about it to me looks genuine. The box, paperwork etc, but you just never know. Pictures taken late last night as it was changing date.

have a great day

well I decided against buying this watch as I couldn’t be sure if its genuine.
 
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Hi all: I am a starting watch collector and entering the world luxury brand with an entry level Omega watch. Previously I have collected smaller brands like Fortis, Marathon, Sinn. The Omega Speedmaster Reduced caught my interest because of its history with space travel. I also have a small wrist and a love for chronographs.

I found a pre-owned Omega Speedmaster Reduced 3510.50 for a lower price and wanted your thoughts. From my understanding, good replicas of the Speedmaster Reduced is on the rarer side but I wanted to be cautious and ensure it is authentic. For future references, are there any particular questions I should be asking (service history, more photos of the lume) when looking to purchasing a more expensive watch? Thank you very much.
 
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Hi all, just purchased this watch from ebay and thought I'd get a second opinion to put the matter to rest. All 3 serials on the case, movement, and warranty cards match up. The movement also looks real to me. I looked up macro shots of many of the rep versions and compared them. Please let me know if you see any issues that indicate otherwise. I also noticed that the 12 o'clock indices are a little bit off center to the left. I drew a little red line to visualize it on the last picture. Is that perfectly acceptable and within spec for Omega? My only other experience with Omega is with an AT that I have no problems with. My collection is mostly Grand Seikos and I've not had any dial QC quibbles with them. Thanks for your time and help in advance. 😉

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