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Is this the new Speedmaster?
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Martin_J_N
·I've grabbed these images;
left: current sapphire 311.30.42.30.01.006
middle: new sapphire 310.30.42.50.01.002
right: new hesalite 310.30.42.50.01.001
Thats' helpful, I can see a big difference between bracelets, thanks.
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Capt Cave Man
·I believe the new bracelet is very similar to the A11 50th Moonshine in it's design and it does look like there's a brushed/polished difference between the sapphire and hesalite versions.
Edit: would love to see these edited with the A11 50th steel bracelet... I'm still thinking along the lines that these will be interchangeable as all appear to be based on the same case design.
Edit: would love to see these edited with the A11 50th steel bracelet... I'm still thinking along the lines that these will be interchangeable as all appear to be based on the same case design.
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Martin_J_N
·You're missing the point. It's not about price, it's not about being on the moon, it's not about being on a book, it's not about being better or worse, it's not the be all and end all.
There is a concept called Moonwatch.
Here's the definition (by Omega themselves and as recognized by the entire world):
THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON
There is a very specific and well known configuration for the Moonwatch.
Everything else is just talk, opinions, expectations, desires and so on... that's all fine! But let's keep it real.
I think that the term 'First watch worn on the moon' applies to the general design not the specific configuration, so the watch that Buzz wore onto the luna surface was an Omega Speedmaster, the descendants of which are classified 'Moonwatch' and Omega is open about the fact that they are related to the original but not copies of the original. The new EW 321 is a modern replica of a watch that was worn on the moon not the watch that was on the moon.
If you want an exact replica of the original moonwatch you need to buy a watch that was made in the same era as those worn by the astronauts. Omega couldn't make a watch of that era now as manufacturing processes have changed, why go back to the early 1960's when you can make a better watch now. Me, I would prefer a new replica, others may disagree.
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Cod Holliday
·J Jb328I'm late to this party and have a couple questions...
Will the sapphire version have the transparent caseback?
Any word on when these will actually be available?
I've been debating for months just getting the current version...but that bracelet looks sweet.
OB indicates that these will be available late Spring, early Summer 2021 and until then all focus is going to be on Snoopy 50.
That means there will be a dryspell as the old Speedmaster ceases to exist and before the new ones strat to trickle. How quickly Omega makes them available will be interesting to note.
Rolex are supposed to be intorudcing new Explorer around the time also. Might be an expensive Summer 2021. 😁
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Mathew J
·I think the upgraded movement is fine, as the 3861 is at its core a 1861, just as how a 1861 is at its core a 321, both albeit with suitable upgrades for their times. High time for a more reliable, more accurate, and more magnetically resistant movement for a watch that is supposed to be subject to all kinds of harsh conditions outside of a spacecraft.
I read somewhere that the new movement shares no parts with the current 1861 and that it is essentially an entirely new movement but the 1861 did have some evolvement from the 321
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Martin_J_N
·OB indicates that these will be available late Spring, early Summer 2021 and until then all focus is going to be on Snoopy 50.
That means there will be a dryspell as the old Speedmaster ceases to exist and before the new ones strat to trickle. How quickly Omega makes them available will be interesting to note.
Rolex are supposed to be intorudcing new Explorer around the time also. Might be an expensive Summer 2021. 😁
The Explorer will have to be very very very good to tempt me, not my favourite at all, plus I am moving house so a lack of watches early next year will be a bonus.
😀
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SpeedyPhill
·The only bit of information/history that can put 105.003 (and the reissue EW321) in this conversation is this:
"Also of interest is that neither the 105.012, nor the 145.012, were the model tested by NASA for certification; that was the reference 105.003."
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/every-watch-clock-and-timer-that-went-to-the-moon
But it seems nobody cares much about that and some people prefer to cast confusion about what The Moonwatch is, how it started and how it became the Moonwatch as a name/concept.
Moonwatch = THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON
Funny the Moonwatch was lost in shipment... 😗
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SpeedyPhill
·I watched Capricorn One last night.....now I have a lot of questions.....
Looked closely enough as there are No watches at all in that 1978 movie !
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dcl_88
·I've grabbed these images;
left: current sapphire 311.30.42.30.01.006
middle: new sapphire 310.30.42.50.01.002
right: new hesalite 310.30.42.50.01.001
And what is domed seconds and minute hands? Are they like curved or something?
personally I feel the tapering is too much. Looks less toolish with that taper? But that’s imho.
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Martin_J_N
·We can call other versions/models The Moonwatch per affinity... or because they are part of the same series of watches, or for whatever reason we want.
Omega does that. It's fine!
But there is only one Moonwatch.
Not at all.
If Omega made one now, I would be able to buy it.
Omega doesn't need to go back in time to replicate the exact same Moonwatch.
They do make better watches now, lot's of them. That's not the point...
Omega have already made this watch, it is available for you to buy, just scour the classifieds. If you want a modern version then the closest that you are likely to get for the foreseeable is the EW 321 replica. I don't see Omega doing a replica of the watch worn by Buzz on the moon as it went missing and hasn't been seen for 50 years.
I am more than happy with what Omega are doing and with luck will get to own a new 3861 Moonwatch and the EW 321, if I get both I will be a very very happy man.
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Cod Holliday
·Are we still discussing if this is Moonwatch enough to warrant carrying the Moonwatch moniker?
Meanwhile, Joe Smith off the street are going to be lining up to get the "latest" moonwatch. I don't think we realize how much money is in Asian markets where people only want the latest and the greatest. We all know how "massive" Omega are in Japan/Korea/Singapore etc.
Meanwhile, Joe Smith off the street are going to be lining up to get the "latest" moonwatch. I don't think we realize how much money is in Asian markets where people only want the latest and the greatest. We all know how "massive" Omega are in Japan/Korea/Singapore etc.
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Martin_J_N
·Are we still discussing if this is Moonwatch enough to warrant carrying the Moonwatch moniker?
Meanwhile, Joe Smith off the street are going to be lining up to get the "latest" moonwatch. I don't think we realize how much money is in Asian markets where people only want the latest and the greatest. We all know how "massive" Omega are in Japan/Korea/Singapore etc.
Its a Moonwatch because Omega is calling it the Moonwatch
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Cod Holliday
·Its a Moonwatch because Omega is calling it the Moonwatch
I don't disagree with what Omega re doing. They have done an exceptional job over the last 10 years or so IMHO. There is a reason why they are the most compared brand/watch to the mighty green.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!You're missing the point. It's not about price, it's not about being on the moon, it's not about being on a book, it's not about being better or worse, it's not the be all and end all.
There is a concept called Moonwatch.
Here's the definition (by Omega themselves and as recognized by the entire world):
THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON
There is a very specific and well known configuration for the Moonwatch.
Everything else is just talk, opinions, expectations, desires and so on... that's all fine! But let's keep it real.
We can call other versions/models The Moonwatch per affinity... or because they are part of the same series of watches, or for whatever reason we want. But there is only one Moonwatch.
This is the Moonwatch link at the bottom of the current Omega webpage, doesn't look much like your description now does it:
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/watches/speedmaster/dark-side-of-the-moon/product
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIts a Moonwatch because Omega is calling it the Moonwatch
Yes, since it's their watch design, I think their naming convention takes precedence over someone on an internet forum...
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Cod Holliday
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scapa
·No... what I (and thousands of others) want, is a replica of The Moonwatch made by Omega today.
If they do it, I (and thousands of others), will buy it.
The only reason why I didn't buy EW321... is because it isn't the original Moonwatch, it's something else. I already have what Omega calls, today, The Moonwatch: the c1861 version currently available.
Okay. Well, maybe we'll see your wish come true someday. I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes.
In terms of the 3861 versions coming out shortly, and speaking as a Joe Public-type Omega owner myself, I think they've done an excellent job addressing the wish lists I've seen over the past few years regarding what people want in a revised Speedy. These models will be in high demand for a long while, I expect.
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Omegafanman
·It looks like yet another - define Omega Moonwatch thread can be started. For this thread, I am just interested in the new releases and for sure they can inherit the Moonwatch moniker IMHO. I am happy the 1861a is still being used on ISS missions and see an irony that the only close up of a Speedmaster ticking / working on an Apollo moon landing mission is an 861. I am also very happy to own a 145.012 so covering all bases ;0). The 1861 has a proud space heritage and I am sure it will be the same for the 3861
