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watchCL
·Really cool release with not changing too much. I do love the bracelet a lot (vintage look, taper with modern production). What a pitty that this will not fit the 'old' moonwatch as the case is also renewed 🙁
Is this the new Speedmaster?
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!It looks like the 3861 has an updated and modernised version of the 1479 bracelet made of more solid non-rattling metal and probably doesn't pull hair anymore.
Would it be possible to fit the new bracelet onto a 1861?
Also, I greatly dislike the changed case-back wording. I already hated the fact that the recent (2018?) and onwards ones say PROFESSIONAL MOONWATCH on the case-back, now by saying all human missions rather than manned just reeks of the "woke" political correctness that's plaguing every facet of modern society.
Not my picture, stolen from Pinterest.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorEvery watch I've bought, I wore it immediately on the wrist and left the box & packaging at the store... but all of that was in the 20th century 😁
Nowadays people keep the boxes but I have no idea where Speedmaster collectors store those huge bootsize Omega boxes... in a garage box ?
There's only one box worthy for a Speedmaster... the little cubic Omega crater box
The whole unboxing phenomenon explained.
https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/marketing-strategies/video/youtube-insights-stats-data-trends-vol7/
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eugeneandresson
·I baffles me to think how much easy money Omega *doesn't* want to make by not doing a true Moonwatch remake.
No need to add complications to a really simple plan: get original Moonwatch spec list. Replicate that. Done.
Clearly you don't realize that they have already done that.
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Martin_J_N
·Every watch I've bought, I wore it immediately on the wrist and left the box & packaging at the store... but all of that was in the 20th century 😁
Nowadays people keep the boxes but I have no idea where Speedmaster collectors store those huge bootsize Omega boxes... in a garage box ?
There's only one box worthy for a Speedmaster... the little cubic Omega crater box
Looking after the packaging is all part of the fun, I've always done it with anything expensive that I've bought, watches, cameras, HiFi stuff, the boxes have always been kept. Don't know why just something that I have always done since buying my first camera at 18, drives my wife loopy.
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Mathew J
·Yes, it seems obvious by now that Omega considers their reference to be the commercially available Moonwatch as they've made and sold since 1968. Not the Moonwatch that was actually on the Moon... 😉
Actually I see this as the main reason why the current Moonwatch (not the new 3861) is still very much desirable and some people would choose the 1861 over the 3861. It's the 1861 that is actually much closer to the 1968 Moonwatch you could buy new in a store back then, isn't it?
This was my big draw to the current moonwatch, the fact that the piece for the most part was unchanged for 50 years, it might not have been exactly the model which went to the moon, but it was directly descended from the pieces which did, was as close to a period correct piece for the time and still in production which one can buy new, and when compared to other watches it was affordable.
I have said it a few times now but the new Co Axial is none of those things. I am sure some will like the upgrades but my draw to this watch isn't about accuracy and modern features, if anything its just that it was a classic watch at a more than fair price.
I wonder if these upgrades will drive more sales and interest, I was always under the impression that the Speedy wasn't nearly as popular as the Seamaster and I don't see these changes making a difference there.
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Mathew J
·
There was a quote a while back in Financial Times: New Omega CEO Raynald Aeschlimann tells tough truths | Financial Times (ft.com)
“We’re also very conscious of our corporate social responsibility which is why, for example, we are no longer involved in motorsport. Michael Schumacher was an Omega ambassador for a long time, but that was in a different era — Formula One no longer matches our values, it’s too commercial and not sufficiently eco-friendly for us."
I thought it was an interesting read and rather eye opening as to what they are targeting for the future from a demographic perspective.
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Fickle
·Not sure if I made myself clear...
EW321 is not the Moonwatch.
The real Moonwatch should be somthing like this:
https://wahawatches.com/omega-speedmaster-105-012-real-moonwatch/
https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedy-tuesday-incoming-question-about-original-moonwatch/
https://monochrome-watches.com/excl...ences-how-omega-speedmaster-became-moonwatch/
"The two references that made it to the Moon are the Speedmaster Professional 105.012 and 145.012. These references were delivered to NASA after the qualification in 1965. Omega sent them to NASA in the 1960’s and engraved them with their own serial number (SeB) like they did on every piece of equipment. So you could say that the original Moonwatch is a 105.012 or a 145.012. Recent research also shows that the Reference 105.003 was flown occasionally as a secondary piece.
Omega Speedmaster Professional 105.012 – as used by Aldrin and Armstrong
So yes, the Speedmaster reference 105.012 or 145.012 are the ones to get if the Moonwatch heritage is very important to you."
"The mythic, iconic, timeless and unique Omega Speedmaster ‘Moonwatch‘ thus is a ST105.012, an asymmetrical edition, showing the ‘lyre lugs’, the 42mm case and the Calibre 321."
Wasn’t Cernan’s watch on the moon the 105.003?
The same one in the Omega museum the current EW321 is based on?
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eugeneandresson
·Not sure if I made myself clear...
I beleive you did several times, and you are welcome to do it again, however doing so doesn't make you any less wrong, and your vehemently stated wish has already been fulfilled by Omega (a moonwatch has been cloned to spec)...
Thus...NO BINGO 😉
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flw
··history nerd🍿
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Abho
·Saw this earlier on a similar thread on a different forum. Interesting to see the outgoing and new versions side by side.
I saw all of the changes discussed above but was interested by the change in the chrono hand. I thought this might have had more discussion. The 'spear' on the new model is rather closer to the tip of the hand than before. On my recent 1863 SS the spear sits directly over the centre of the Omega logo. Presumably that won't be the case now and you might see more of the logo?
I've playing with the expected overlap of the seconds hand, and even when the logo will not be completely obscured by the seconds hand, it will be partially eclipsed:
hopefully I'm wrong and we can enjoy the AML logo even when the chronograph is not running :-D
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!@SergioRZ , what is your take on that scandalously badly named book 'Moonwatch Only' Surely they should be prosecuted for a blatant lie! If you have a copy, have your ripped the pages devoted to the straight lug watches out?
Jokes aside, get off your high horse. If you really think the 105.012 is the be all and end all then go buy one. Yes I actually do think Omega will release a faithful copy at some point, just like they have with the 105.003-64 Ed White. They will milk this cash cow for all its worth, dropping a perfect -65 Moonwatch copy at high street prices is not part of the plan, it'll be added to the 5 figure elite section. When they are good and ready.
ps ask how yourself come original Ed Whites seems to attract higher prices than original 105.012-65s...
Jokes aside, get off your high horse. If you really think the 105.012 is the be all and end all then go buy one. Yes I actually do think Omega will release a faithful copy at some point, just like they have with the 105.003-64 Ed White. They will milk this cash cow for all its worth, dropping a perfect -65 Moonwatch copy at high street prices is not part of the plan, it'll be added to the 5 figure elite section. When they are good and ready.
ps ask how yourself come original Ed Whites seems to attract higher prices than original 105.012-65s...
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dukerules
·I hadn't noticed it yet, but the Sapphire model in the leaked photos actually is showing an AML. It is not oversized like the FOIS or Snoopy 2020. Notice my closeup. Also, I added the logo from the Platinum 321 as a 3rd comparison.
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eugeneandresson
·Moonwatch = THE FIRST WATCH WORN ON THE MOON
If this were true, then every single watch made by Omega, marketed as 'moonwatch' since 1971 (so millions), are a blatant lie, because only the 105.012-65 is a moonwatch...
Thus still NO BINGO 😉
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Omegafanman
·Not sure is anyone has put the specs up yet (I am late to this party... but it is a party / like the new releases :0)
The new Omega Speedmaster moonwatch hesalite replaces the previous reference 311.30.42.30.01.005 on steel bracelet and the reference 311.33.42.30.01.001 on leather strap. The new references are 310.30.42.50.01.001 (bracelet version) and 310.32.42.50.01.001 (strap version).
Specifications
Specifications
The new Omega Speedmaster moonwatch hesalite replaces the previous reference 311.30.42.30.01.005 on steel bracelet and the reference 311.33.42.30.01.001 on leather strap. The new references are 310.30.42.50.01.001 (bracelet version) and 310.32.42.50.01.001 (strap version).
Specifications
- Movement: Caliber 3861, co-Axial Master Chronometer, officially certified by METAS, manual winding chronograph
- Jewels: 26
- Frequency: 21600 BPH/3 Hz
- Power reserve: 50 hours
- Magnetic resistance: 15,000 Gauss
- Diameter: 42mm
- Thickness: 13.58mm
- Water-resistance: 50 meters/167 feet
- Lug width: 20mm
- Technical movement features: Silicon “Si14” hairspring, free sprung-balance, Nivachoc, Co-axial escapement
- Case: “polished-brushed; geometry inspired by the Speedmaster 4th generation (first watch worn on the moon)”
- Bezel: Polished stainless steel bezel with an aluminium insert with tachymeter scale. Dot over ninety “DON” design
- Crystal: Hesalite with Omega logo embossed on the center
Specifications
- Movement: Caliber 3861 co-axial manual-winding
- Jewels: 26
- Frequency: 21600 BPH/3hz
- Power reserve: 50 hours
- Magnetic resistance: 15,000 gauss
- Technical movement features: Silicon “Si14” hairspring, free sprung-balance, Nivachoc, Co-axial escapement
- Diameter: 42mm
- Thickness: 13.18mm
- Water resistance: 50m/167 feet
- Lug width: 20mm
- Crystal: Box-form sapphire crystal with anti-reflective treatment on one side
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Jb328
·I'm late to this party and have a couple questions...
Will the sapphire version have the transparent caseback?
Any word on when these will actually be available?
I've been debating for months just getting the current version...but that bracelet looks sweet.
Will the sapphire version have the transparent caseback?
Any word on when these will actually be available?
I've been debating for months just getting the current version...but that bracelet looks sweet.
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Hernium
·I think the upgraded movement is fine, as the 3861 is at its core a 1861, just as how a 1861 is at its core a 321, both albeit with suitable upgrades for their times. High time for a more reliable, more accurate, and more magnetically resistant movement for a watch that is supposed to be subject to all kinds of harsh conditions outside of a spacecraft.
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Martin_J_N
·Can we look again at the proposed bracelets please.
Some images that have been posted seem to suggest a brushed look for the hesalite watch and a brushed and polished look for the sapphire watch. Other images posted appear to show a bracelet that is the same as the current Moonwatch.
I'm a bit confused on whether the bracelet on the new watch is different from the existing one (which I like) or the same, any help on this please.
Some images that have been posted seem to suggest a brushed look for the hesalite watch and a brushed and polished look for the sapphire watch. Other images posted appear to show a bracelet that is the same as the current Moonwatch.
I'm a bit confused on whether the bracelet on the new watch is different from the existing one (which I like) or the same, any help on this please.
