Is this seamaster a redial ?

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If that's a redial I will eat my shoe. I've enlarged your watch and the one from the link above
 
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If that's a redial I will eat my shoe. I've enlarged your watch and the one from the link above
Haha.. All i doubt about mine was the print looks narrow maybe..? But I'm not sure why him and the guys here saying so different. He was very sure about it and kept saying its not even good redial. I understand maybe he is right but if its not even good redial, amatuer people might can tell..? He said the ink is not original condition and kept saying he is pro..lol now im really confused..
 
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Again my only nod is the difference in thickness but it can be the picture, and even more probably my eye vision this morning!

That said, if you like the watch, if the movement is in good condition, then enjoy it for many years to come. Full redial? Partial redial? ... Nobody on the street will notice it tbh

And about the self-esteem of having done a good transaction, don't worry too much about that. I believe many of us have done mistakes as vintage watches are tricky... But it is also its charm, the investigation, the discussions, the finding sharing etc.

Welcome to the forum as well 😀
 
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...He was very sure about it and kept saying its not even good redial. I understand maybe he is right but if its not even good redial, amatuer people might can tell..? He said the ink is not original condition and kept saying he is pro..lol now im really confused..
On the other hand, he needs to justify his qualifications and his servicing price 😀
 
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On the other hand, he needs to justify his qualifications and his servicing price 😀
Again my only nod is the difference in thickness but it can be the picture, and even more probably my eye vision this morning!

That said, if you like the watch, if the movement is in good condition, then enjoy it for many years to come. Full redial? Partial redial? ... Nobody on the street will notice it tbh

And about the self-esteem of having done a good transaction, don't worry too much about that. I believe many of us have done mistakes as vintage watches are tricky... But it is also its charm, the investigation, the discussions, the finding sharing etc.

Welcome to the forum as well 😀
You are right. Thanks for the advice. I thought too much about the value of originality since it was my first watch.. But i was surprised about the opinions here cuz the watchmaker was so sure about that and now i kinda wanna know the truth still haha ... But again, i agreed with you !
 
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On the other hand, he needs to justify his qualifications and his servicing price 😀
That’s funny thing because this watchmaker is the most famous guy in the town.. I just gave him it serviced cuz of the reputation ... 🤔
 
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Honestly a bit of a head scratcher. No experience with this ref but my gut says its okay, just a thinner script.
 
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That’s funny thing because this watchmaker is the most famous guy in the town.. I just gave him it serviced cuz of the reputation ... 🤔
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm sure he is very good... I'm referring to his words ;-)
 
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It's hard to do a thin script, thin is almost always a sign of originality.
 
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It's hard to do a thin script, thin is almost always a sign of originality.
He mentioned about the condition of ink which i have no idea about that part ...
 
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I like the watch and the crown. I think it is all good. If it is a redial it is an exceptionally good one. Your watchmaker's dismissal of it as a clumsy redial is bizarre.
 
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At the very least your watchmaker says it’s a “bad“ redial and yet all these very experienced collectors are struggling to tell if it is a redial at all. If it was a “bad“ redial then at least the members here would be able to say with some confidence that it was a redial.

So if your guy is wrong in that it’s not a “bad“ redial, there’s a good chance he’s wrong altogether and it’s not a redial at all.

So far I’ve never seen on here a redial where the script is too thin, and yours doesn’t look too thin anyway.

Also, I must say your watch looks really lovely and I would wear it and enjoy it.
 
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I asses the watch as genuine. The overall impression and the script seems to be as correct as it gets. Maybe, and I say just maybe, has the the dial been slightly cleaned. All lume looks ok. A fine watch in my opinion.

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If it's a redial, I can't believe it's anything sloppy or poor. One question...at the 11 o'clock marker, the lume is a bit off from the applied marker. Is that a line under the marker? If so, is that normal? My thoughts would be it isn't.



Secondly, not related to the dial, is the bezel cracked? If so, is your famous watchmaker going to repair this?

Cheers, Al
 
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Given the mild degradation of the dial, it fits that there might be some degradation of the script as well. This all contributes to the assessment that the dial is original. If it was repainted, it would have been a long time ago, and I’ve never seen a historic redial look this good. I concur with @Shabbaz. If this is a redial, I’ll eat every shoe in my house
 
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I'm not seeing anything from the photos that would lead me to conclude that it's a re-dial, although I do think that the lume may have been replaced. Obviously your watchmaker had the advantage of seeing it in person, and perhaps he removed the crystal and looked at the back of the dial, which can provide additional information.
 
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If it's a redial, I can't believe it's anything sloppy or poor. One question...at the 11 o'clock marker, the lume is a bit off from the applied marker. Is that a line under the marker? If so, is that normal? My thoughts would be it isn't.



Secondly, not related to the dial, is the bezel cracked? If so, is your famous watchmaker going to repair this?

Cheers, Al
The watchmaker didn’t mention about that .. i also recognized about that crack but in person it doesn’t look to show up and watchmaker didn’t talk about the fixing those parts.. he said he will just service the movement..
 
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Either we have a mischievous watchmaker or a mischievous OP here...
 
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Either we have a mischievous watchmaker or a mischievous OP here...
Even tho im just a newbie, if my watchmaker is wrong, i would be really confused about vintage watch in the future .. lol i’ve never expected this topic is gonna be this difficult..