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·The dial seems original to me
Is this Pie Pan 168.006 worth it ?
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·I wish you much joy with the watch you choose. I think you made a good decision.
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Takeo
·I wish you much joy with the watch you choose. I think you made a good decision.
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··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersThank you so much for taking the time to answer! It really helps.
I’m giving up on the Japan version, I’d rather go for a classic dog leg pie pan 😀
About the painted indexes… right, there’s always something that could be better. I think even with that it’s still a very beautiful and collectible watch right ? so I’ll probably go for it. You're like the most extremist vintage omega people on the planet so it shouldn't stop me ahah (not saying that in a bad way)
Also, this is very similar to a pie-pan I had a few months ago (I returned it because the seller sent me a non-functioning watch twice), and it was apparently painted indexes as well, do you confirm ?it wasn't a problem for me back then..
It should actually be exactly the same, except for the crown?
The good news is I paid €2600 back then (got reimbursed). This time I’d be paying €1600 or €1800 depending on which one I choose so big savings!
About that, seller says the higher price on one watch is due to the sharper edges - which one do you think offers the best value? I guess I’ll really feel it in person, but I’d like your opinion.
One last question: what do you think about the seller saying “the dial is most likely original”? Is he just being cautious, or could it be a red flag? I tend to think it’s the first option, but since most sellers simply say everything is original, I’m wondering what you think about the dials and his overall approach.
Don’t get me wrong, the later doglegs are still great watches and have the splendid quickset date 564 movt - but you mentioned collectibility and the onyx inserts versions are more collectible that’s all.
If both have been serviced ( properly) they both look good.
my advice would be to buy the best you can afford.
With both in hand you can see if the extra $200 is worth it.
Note the size of the bracelets - they can be small in Japan.
Better to have a larger BOR and reduce it than the other way around.
Best of luck when meeting the seller.
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·I have a 17,4 cm / 6,9 inch arm so should be fine!
Sorry guys I know this go out of your watch expertise, but I'm pretty sure the seller used chatgpt to answer the last message as you can see above.
He's not answering my question and using the very specific "-" of chatgpt. Hum...do you have an opinion on that ? It could just be that he doesn't speak English and use it as a translator / help (I was surprised that a japanese would speak English like that)
I know it goes beyond watch expertise lol.
The seller is named Tokibank, I don't know him except by his website
Also do you have an idea why he wouldnt want to certify that the dial is correct ?
Sorry guys I know this go out of your watch expertise, but I'm pretty sure the seller used chatgpt to answer the last message as you can see above.
He's not answering my question and using the very specific "-" of chatgpt. Hum...do you have an opinion on that ? It could just be that he doesn't speak English and use it as a translator / help (I was surprised that a japanese would speak English like that)
I know it goes beyond watch expertise lol.
The seller is named Tokibank, I don't know him except by his website
Also do you have an idea why he wouldnt want to certify that the dial is correct ?
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Takeo
·He just confirmed using chatgpt to communicate since he doesn't speak English 😀
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI realise that buyers go to dealers for a measure of certainty.
However, If the seller deals in multiple references and multiple brands then he can’t be an expert in every watch he sells.
Caveat Emptor.
However, If the seller deals in multiple references and multiple brands then he can’t be an expert in every watch he sells.
Caveat Emptor.
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Takeo
·I realise that buyers go to dealers for a measure of certainty.
However, If the seller deals in multiple references and multiple brands then he can’t be an expert in every watch he sells.
Caveat Emptor.
Yes, we do. Even though I’ve been eyeing this watch for a year and am starting to understand some of its specifics, I’m still no expert!
Anyway, I think I can trust him, and your insights on the watch are reassuring, so it should be okay.
Here is his last answer when I asked about the dial. I think he might be suggesting that it could have been cleaned since it looks so “perfect”… I’m not sure.
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Takeo
·Just buy it already, lol.
I hopefully will ! This was useful advice too aha
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·I hopefully will ! This was useful advice too aha
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI’m not sure the seller is implying that the dial has been cleaned - just that it is a very clean dial.
(Remember he is using either chat GPT or a translator to reply to you. )
(Remember he is using either chat GPT or a translator to reply to you. )
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·I'll have my appointment next week with him. I'll let you guys know how it went and hopefully will send some pictures of it on my wrist, with a japanese sight behind. 😀
I looked at the dials of the two watches. Based on the pictures, one seem a bit lighter (the most expansive). Is it due to light and photography ? Patina on the other ? Is there one more "sought" ?
Thank you.
I looked at the dials of the two watches. Based on the pictures, one seem a bit lighter (the most expansive). Is it due to light and photography ? Patina on the other ? Is there one more "sought" ?
Thank you.
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··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersfirst of all - the two pics you just posted are atrocious.
Luckily, the original pics are better - however, you've posted the latest pics the wrong way around.
The more expensive watch looks like it has a significantly better case. - but both will look good on the wrist.
Both dials look good.
You will see better with both in hand.
The more expensive watch has an incorrect replacement crown, whereas the less expensive watch appears to have the correct replacement crown.
The crown on a Constellation should be waterproof - and the incorrect replacement crown may not be waterproof.
I would still go for the better (more expensive) watch - if you can afford it - but query the crown and have it replaced unless you are going to wear it in a place with no humidity or rainfall.
(ask if the other crown is in fact the correct waterproof replacement crown and ask them to swap it with the better watch if that is the one you intend to choose.)
Luckily, the original pics are better - however, you've posted the latest pics the wrong way around.
The more expensive watch looks like it has a significantly better case. - but both will look good on the wrist.
Both dials look good.
You will see better with both in hand.
The more expensive watch has an incorrect replacement crown, whereas the less expensive watch appears to have the correct replacement crown.
The crown on a Constellation should be waterproof - and the incorrect replacement crown may not be waterproof.
I would still go for the better (more expensive) watch - if you can afford it - but query the crown and have it replaced unless you are going to wear it in a place with no humidity or rainfall.
(ask if the other crown is in fact the correct waterproof replacement crown and ask them to swap it with the better watch if that is the one you intend to choose.)
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Jan Dietrich
·Also look at the braclets when you choose!
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Takeo
·first of all - the two pics you just posted are atrocious.
Luckily, the original pics are better - however, you've posted the latest pics the wrong way around.
The more expensive watch looks like it has a significantly better case. - but both will look good on the wrist.
Both dials look good.
You will see better with both in hand.
The more expensive watch has an incorrect replacement crown, whereas the less expensive watch appears to have the correct replacement crown.
The crown on a Constellation should be waterproof - and the incorrect replacement crown may not be waterproof.
I would still go for the better (more expensive) watch - if you can afford it - but query the crown and have it replaced unless you are going to wear it in a place with no humidity or rainfall.
(ask if the other crown is in fact the correct waterproof replacement crown and ask them to swap it with the better watch if that is the one you intend to choose.)
Sorry for the bad quality, I think I zoomed in before taking the screenshot, this might be the reason
I don't understand me posting the pics the wrong way though ? As I mentioned, the better watch is the first picture. Or maybe you're just saying that I improperly published them.
I think I would be ready to pay the premium for the better watch but I think I prefer the other dial (if there's indeed a difference and not just different lighting)
Oh I see about the crown. I'm gonna ask him about it. How difficult is it to swap a crown? Can he do it quickly in front of me if I choose the expansive one ? Otherwise I have to ask to do it beforehand, which would almost mean already making my choice!
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI just meant that in the two pics above, the better condition, more expensive, watch (small crown) is posted first and the less expensive watch (larger crown) is posted second.
On page one of the thread the multiple pics of these watches are posted the other way around - which makes things confusing as the watches are so very similar.
On page one of the thread the multiple pics of these watches are posted the other way around - which makes things confusing as the watches are so very similar.
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··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersUnless your seller is a watchmaker or very adept at changing crowns you wouldn’t want him carrying out a quick crown change as you risk damage to the watch.
