Is This Guilloche Constellationl Original?

dsio · Nov 17, 2012

MSNWatch
I disagree with the comment that the dial back is typical - in my experience it is not typical for an early 1950s omega constellation or seamaster dial. The appearance of the rivets of this particular watch is for me more typically seen in redials. The point about the notches in the dial being aligned with the dial feet is well taken though by no means a consistent feature. Now I actually agree that the front of the dial is consistent with an original print and would overall consider it an original dial taking front and back views into consideration.

Following are the pictures of 2 early 1950s dials - one constellation and the other seamaster and you can see for yourself they look quite different from the dial of the watch in question. These are to me fairly representative of the era as I have seen many other dials whose backsides look quite similar:

I know what that second one is 😜

Wiliam · Nov 17, 2012

hoipolloi
The reason I asked because some early dials (manual winding 30mm etc....) have fixed markers (not removable) These markers were attached permanently onto the dial from the factory and we don't see anything from the other side

This type of dials and also stamped out from the back markers dials. Redial can be seen mile away. When new paint apply with markers on the dial, paint gabbles up around markers with heavy layers, every-time. Most dial refinishers will tell you this upfront.

MSNWatch · Nov 17, 2012

W Wiliam
This type of dials and also stamped out from the back markers dials. Redial can be seen mile away. When new paint apply with markers on the dial, paint gabbles up around markers with heavy layers, every-time. Most dial refinishers will tell you this upfront.

And I have seen these fixed markers also in some omega chronograph dials and you can imagine the difficulty of properly repainting these sometimes very busy chronograph dials with the markers still in place.

MSNWatch · Nov 17, 2012

dsio
I know what that second one is 😜

I thought you would 😀

Wiliam · Nov 17, 2012

MSNWatch
And I have seen these fixed markers also in some omega chronograph dials and you can imagine the difficulty of properly repainting these sometimes very busy chronograph dials with the markers still in place.

My only advice with fixed markers dial, do redial in black less visible

Helvetia History · Dec 9, 2012

X350 XJR
Original Black Omega dials are actually plated as well. On a black and gold dial the gold is put down first with a black top coat
allowing the gold lettering to show through, the lettering and minute track is NOT printed. BTW most 1960/70s blue Omega dials
were plated as well.

The solution to do black or blue plating is ungodly toxic and expensive so few if any dial re-finishers will even touch it.

Thanks very much for the info ref how the black dials were created. I have just purchased 354 and 561 Constellations with black dials and knew that as the black aged then copper or gold speckles showed through which you can just see starting to happen on the 561 below where they catch the light.

But the older 354 has quite a lot of gold showing at the dial edge at the number 7 position and a bit of a streak. I couldn't work out how gold paint could have got there.

Now I know the gold was plated first and then the black applied it makes sense.

Thanks again.

Carl

Is This Guilloche Constellationl Original?

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