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·Spot on! Even the small tiny dot perforation is gone.
Is the patina "yellow" enough on this Seamaster 165.024?
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watchlovr
·By a very respected seller who has seen and sold dozens and dozens of vintage Seamasters and Speedmasters through the years. When you've seen enough of them you can tell the watches that are original and the ones that have been relumed.
I'm not saying definitively that the OP's watch hasn't been relumed. I'm just saying imperfect tritium should not be a sole criterion to judge. There's plenty of imperfect original tritium on vintage Seamasters and Speedys.
I would not put my trust in any sellers opinion as "confirmed", he is trying to silly something at the end of the day.
Have seen plenty of both models over the 30 years I have been collecting and still cannot tell for sure or "confirmed" which have been relumed, I can however have an opinion.
My opinion is just that, others have theirs.
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watchlovr
·The dot is not always present even in original non relumed dial
I personally feel much more comfortable with dials showing them.
Good examples below.
Beware of the fakes with pinholes too!
FAKE DIAL FAKE DIAL-NOTE THE PINHOLES
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swish77
·Thanks for your reply.
I would not put my trust in any sellers opinion as "confirmed", he is trying to silly something at the end of the day.
Have seen plenty of both models over the 30 years I have been collecting and still cannot tell for sure or "confirmed" which have been relumed, I can however have an opinion.
My opinion is just that, others have theirs.
Agreed, they are all mostly just opinions, but they're usually educated ones by us guys who obsess over vintage watches and such details. (I also have been staring at old watches for about 30 years.) However, keep in mind that there are still some original owners out there who sell to collectors and dealers and they can indeed confirm whether a watch has been relumed or what other service might have been performed through the years.
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·Hands are from a Big Blue SM...stubby
For that price, I have a couple of corect ones I would sell!
For that price, I have a couple of corect ones I would sell!
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kox
·The Hour hand and minute hand look aftermarket on the OP watch? They are very short 😵💫
Hands are from a Big Blue SM...stubby
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watchlovr
·Agreed, they are all mostly just opinions, but they're usually educated ones by us guys who obsess over vintage watches and such details. (I also have been staring at old watches for about 30 years.) However, keep in mind that there are still some original owners out there who sell to collectors and dealers and they can indeed confirm whether a watch has been relumed or what other service might have been performed through the years.
There are many stories of original owners swearing that the dial/hands had never been changed on their watch, always serviced by the manufacturer, yet the watch has a later dial/hand combo.
The manufacturer just "upgrades" it to best as possible in their eyes.
That would definitely include a relume.
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·If there's ever a good time to be very very picky, it's when trying to figure out if you're actually getting the condition and value being advertised when buying an antique for nearly ten thousand dollars that may be worth a lot less than that due to subtle details like this.
You are of course right ! I had no idea we were talking about a $10,000 watch !
My own fathers 3 Omega watches have been in my possession for over 30 years were Omega serviced only ..... and after thirty years of wearing them I found this place, showed his favorite watch and everyone said it was redialed ! He probably didn't know himself and probably didn't care. But when he bought the Omegas he probably paid maybe $ 400 for them.
When I spend $ 10,000 on anything I make certain I am getting what I pay for. Asking the expert collectors here is going to result in many educated opinions, and I am sure in the end you will get a vintage Omega dive watch. You could buy a new one and be 100% certain of its originality and still have $ 4,000 left over to buy a few vintage redials !
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·This one is too good to be true too:
Got it from first owner's son with original papers from 1966.. Bracelet (1506/16) is like new.
Got it from first owner's son with original papers from 1966.. Bracelet (1506/16) is like new.
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uwsearch
·Or a not relumed from the 70ies ?
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DotOverNewYork
·Damn, I'd be proud to own either of those.
Hope I can find one that good!
Hope I can find one that good!
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Men
·For me..hard to say if the treat starters watch is a relumed on. In case of doubt... a no go.
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j.allen
·I admit to being ignorant about the SM300. To me it has little allure. Would not a good way to tell if it has been re-lumed be to see a picture of the watch in the dark? If the lume is original wouldn't it be pretty faint, whether radium or tritium? I see pictures where it shines like my Magnalite and I don't think this is possible.
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Fost
·A good relume job canndo what you want... Faint or not
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brinsmead
·Regardless of the fact if it was relumed or not, I think it's important to understand how patina develops. I'm not talking about water/moisture "patina".
But generally, tritium lume of watch dials left in the dark (drawer or safe) will develop a much dark yellow/orange patina than watches used daily and exposed to the sun. This is contrary to what most people believe but NOS dials left in a drawer for 30-40 years have much richer patina for the most part.
If course, other factors like the thinner used and binding agent will affect patina development/color
And the Lume has retained its original color (white)
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