Your valuable thoughts on this seamaster 166.010

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Like many newbie into Omega vintage, I have set my eyes on Seamaster (classic, entry level, affordable).

Currently considering a Seamaster vintage (photos below)
Movement - 564
Selling price =around USD1400
Additional - comes with original Omega bead bracelet, original box.

My own observation based on limited knowledge:
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1. Plexiglass - prob not original as cant see the logo in the middle
2. Hands could have been changed?
3. Back case emboss not too defined, could be due to to much natural wearing?
4. Case would have been polished
5. Black rubber ring seems to be rather new, could it be a sign of service or some major parts change?
6. Gold/bronze color difference in different parts, could have been replaced parts?
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7. this back case inner may have been polished as perlage is not clear?
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Really appreciate if OF members can give some comments and pointers?
Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi and welcome here, very good first post!

You write "entry level" but this is a Chronometer Seamaster so already above entry level.

Crown is wrong for this reference, I think I can see the logo on the crystal.

Black rubber ring seems to be rather new, could it be a sign of service or some major parts change?
You should ask the seller if the watch was serviced recently and if he can prove that.

I think the watch looks OK, dial has some very light spotting but not too bad.

Do you have more pictures? Also from bracelet and box?

Good luck
 
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I’m not an expert, although I actually own a non-chronometer 166.010 with a 565 movement, but others who will post are.
The crystal is incorrect. Originally, there would have been no cyclops date window.
The hands look fine to me.
The crown looks incorrect for the watch.
Hard to see the polishing - if you look at the case back, all the scratches suggest it hasn’t been.
Does the seller say anything about servicing or parts replacement. Obviously, parts wear out on old watches and can be replaced or just cleaned (or it may be a lighting issue).
USD 1,400 seems in the general ball park for these.
 
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I’m not an expert, although I actually own a non-chronometer 166.010 with a 565 movement, but others who will post are.
The crystal is incorrect. Originally, there would have been no cyclops date window.
The hands look fine to me.
The crown looks incorrect for the watch.
Hard to see the polishing - if you look at the case back, all the scratches suggest it hasn’t been.
Does the seller say anything about servicing or parts replacement. Obviously, parts wear out on old watches and can be replaced or just cleaned (or it may be a lighting issue).
USD 1,400 seems in the general ball park for these.

thanks for the comments.
given the crystal and crown are not original match (assuming they are original parts), would it still be worthwhile getting this piece?
 
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You haven’t posted what the seller says about it, or where he’s based (and where you are). I can understand that you want to keep your contact private but the written 'sales' information is very relevant to your making an informed decision.

Similarly, there’s an old adage that you sometimes buy the seller, rather than the item, and this is relevant if you’re going to lay out $1,400 plus tax plus postage plus possible service plus replacement parts (I could possibly live with the crown).

I can’t say if this is a worthwhile piece to you, 166.010s are lovely watches, but in your shoes, I’d peruse the sales particulars, look at what’s on offer on other sites, like Chrono24, and then negotiate with the seller if you’re still interested.

Good luck
 
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The chronometer version is 168.024.

Where is the BOR and the 'original box'? Pictures please

The watch without BOR and box could fetch eur 1100. BOR is EUR 150/200 (if correct) and box depends which type. I doubt the box is original. How does the seller know?

Edit: you can find these cheaper.
 
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I think that the price is pretty decent for the chronometer version of this Seamaster. The non-chronometer 166.010 has gone up in price over the past few years and 168.024 is definitely more desirable. Crowns and crystals are regular replacement items, so finding correct service replacements should not be a major problem or expense. These look great with the 5 row BOR, so that is a bonus if it is in good shape. The different color rotor is also not an issue, as these are commonly replaced when the bushing is worn. The O symbol counterweight indicates an Omega replacement rotor assembly.
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My turn!
1. Plexiglass - prob not original as cant see the logo in the middle
2. Hands could have been changed?
3. Back case emboss not too defined, could be due to to much natural wearing?
4. Case would have been polished
5. Black rubber ring seems to be rather new, could it be a sign of service or some major parts change?
6. Gold/bronze color difference in different parts, could have been replaced parts?
7. this back case inner may have been polished as perlage is not clear?

1. No big deal.
2. No, original.
3. It's fine.
4. So what? It wasn't abused.
5. Ask your watchmaker.
6. Maybe. Possibly. Probably.
7. Nobody cares.
 
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You haven’t posted what the seller says about it, or where he’s based (and where you are). I can understand that you want to keep your contact private but the written 'sales' information is very relevant to your making an informed decision.

Similarly, there’s an old adage that you sometimes buy the seller, rather than the item, and this is relevant if you’re going to lay out $1,400 plus tax plus postage plus possible service plus replacement parts (I could possibly live with the crown).

I can’t say if this is a worthwhile piece to you, 166.010s are lovely watches, but in your shoes, I’d peruse the sales particulars, look at what’s on offer on other sites, like Chrono24, and then negotiate with the seller if you’re still interested.

Good luck
i wont have to pay for shipping and taxes as it will be a local purchase (self collect). that would save a few dime and hassle from international shipping.

will definitely negotiate with seller somemore. thanks for advice.
 
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Lots of good input above. Is the date window gold, or is that the lighting? You need to determine if the bracelet is a wreck or if it’s wearable - bracelets can still be bought, so no need to pay for one if it isn’t usable
 
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The chronometer version is 168.024.

Where is the BOR and the 'original box'? Pictures please

The watch without BOR and box could fetch eur 1100. BOR is EUR 150/200 (if correct) and box depends which type. I doubt the box is original. How does the seller know?

Edit: you can find these cheaper.
this is the BOR


and box
 
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Hi and welcome here, very good first post!

You write "entry level" but this is a Chronometer Seamaster so already above entry level.

Crown is wrong for this reference, I think I can see the logo on the crystal.


You should ask the seller if the watch was serviced recently and if he can prove that.

I think the watch looks OK, dial has some very light spotting but not too bad.

Do you have more pictures? Also from bracelet and box?

Good luck
yes, learned pretty quickly a 'chronometer' is not entry level anymore...hahaha...
thanks for the guidance and advice, much appreciated
 
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watch has not been serviced, or there was no information on servicing history.
dealer give 6 months warranty, he would get it serviced with his regular watchmaker before trade.

or should i ask to lower the price and bring the watch for servicing on my own? also to establish connection with a watchmaker closer to my location? any advice on this front appreciated.
 
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The watch looks fine, and the original Seamaster Chronometer inner and outer boxes and BOR bracelet have significant value individually. Negotiate by all means, but I think you should buy it anyway.
 
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The loss of perlage inside the case back was due to rotor rub, and thats probably why the rotor has been replaced

i would negotiate down and find a watchmaker of your chosing

looks a nice watch and the bracelet, box and papers are a real bonus
 
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The box and bracelet are way too early for a 29,7xx cal564 (1969-ish?) watch.
However, they are really nice and are definitely worth having.
A complete, early, green, Seamaster chronometer box like this, with tray, cloth and (somewhat foxed) outer, must be worth $200 on its own nowadays - likewise the 5-row BOR. .
 
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The box and bracelet are way too early for a 29,7xx cal564 (1969-ish?) watch.
However, they are really nice and are definitely worth having.
A complete, early, green, Seamaster chronometer box like this, with tray, cloth and (somewhat foxed) outer, must be worth $200 on its own nowadays - likewise the 5-row BOR. .

Good point (again!)

i dont have OAJTT handy right now (we are moving house shortly, so everything is in boxes), so what type of box would these later Seamaster Chronometer have come in?
 
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Good point (again!)

i dont have OAJTT handy right now (we are moving house shortly, so everything is in boxes), so what type of box would these later Seamaster Chronometer have come in?

I’m no Seamaster aficionado I’m afraid - I don’t think I’ve even seen a later Seamaster chronometer-specific box.
This first is the best I can do from AJTT, showing the right era chronometer rated Seamaster.
It might have been supplied in one of the splendid panel-topped boxes but I think they were reserved for 18k Seamasters.
An alternative would be the standard Omega box shown second below (courtesy of @omegastar )
 
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Yes. I saw one with original box and papers. It came in the red box like the one above or something like this. Forgot which one