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Stewart H
·I strikes me that he should use it for sitting on and not talking out of.
Is My Collection Ruined?
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Tire-comedon
·Sorry but my interests are with Omega movements much earlier than would interest most of you - and I’m certainly aware of the differences in crown setting direction - but this is of course the way Omega built them (no chance of a change during a visit to a watchmaker!).
For example, two of the earliest movements made by Omega were the Cal.30’’’ (ligne) in 1894, followed by the Cal.27’’’ in 1896. The Cal 30’’’ coincided with that very first Omega (the Cal.19’’’).
To stick with the same notation used above, the Cal.30’’’ ‘sets’ anticlockwise but its sister, the Cal.27’’’, sets clockwise (as does the Cal.19’’’ and those that followed it). All my Omega wristwatches set clockwise. Things were more complicated with the Cal.59‑8D - the early (original) version set clockwise but the later jump second/SCS version set anticlockwise.
Turning to chronographs, the earliest (Cal.19’’’ and then Cal.18’’’) set clockwise - but things changed (perhaps with the arrival of Lemania) because the Cal.39 (that’s interesting!), Cals.28.9, 33.3 AND 27 were anticlockwise. Well, the Cal.27 became a 321 - which is a Speedy: anticlockwise.
Over to you Speedies.
Sorry again - but I can’t imagine anything more anoraky than the above!
Tom
What about the caliber 27.96 and other negative hour setting (sounds frightening, no?) calibers from Omega, where its not the crown setting direction but the way you have to move the crown for setting the time that is completely messed up!
Simplly naming them to this buyer would probably lead him to claim for punitive damages...
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Nobel Prize
·Or God forbid he gets to JLC memovox where you have to turn one whole 24 cycle and then back a quarter and go forth a half from 10 to 2 in order to ch e the date.
He would get an aneurysm
He would get an aneurysm
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Taddyangle
·Or God forbid he gets to JLC memovox where you have to turn one whole 24 cycle and then back a quarter and go forth a half from 10 to 2 in order to ch e the date.
He would get an aneurysm
Perhaps not the JLC memovox your talking about... I was just about to throw this one in the trash because I accidentally moved the hands counter clockwise when I set the time.
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LouS
··Mrs Nataf's Other SonI hope you are linking Mr. Asshat to this thread, watchknut
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorName the knucklehead or in never happened😗
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watchknut
·Again, I am more than happy to tell any interested member over PM.
Turns out another esteemed member of the forum had an unpleasant experience as well.
Turns out another esteemed member of the forum had an unpleasant experience as well.
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Nobel Prize
·Again, I am more than happy to tell any interested member over PM.
Turns out another esteemed member of the forum had an unpleasant experience as well.
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TNTwatch
·Pictures of the watch sold to him as well?
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watchknut
·Thanks to all of the members that have reached out for the buyer's information. The moderators have the buyer's information as well for the future.
I am glad to know that I am not crazy, and my most basic assumption on how watches set is, in fact, correct. The mind is a funny thing, and the moment that someone plants a seed of doubt, you can start to rethink what you previously believed.
As the headmaster at my prep school used to say at the end of an assembly, "onwards and upwards gentleman..."
I am glad to know that I am not crazy, and my most basic assumption on how watches set is, in fact, correct. The mind is a funny thing, and the moment that someone plants a seed of doubt, you can start to rethink what you previously believed.
As the headmaster at my prep school used to say at the end of an assembly, "onwards and upwards gentleman..."
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TNTwatch
·I think it'd be more helpful for all if you post pictures of the watch you sold. It'd be more objective while not touching the privacy issue of the buyer. At the moment, all we have is just what you said.
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watchknut
·I think it'd be more helpful for all if you post pictures of the watch you sold. It'd be more objective while not touching the privacy issue of the buyer. At the moment, all we have is just what you said.
The movement in question is a Bulova 11 ALAC.
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TNTwatch
·Posting a picture of the watch in question is irrelevant since the issue is with the buyer stating the the movement set the hands incorrectly and that all watches set in the same clockwise crown, clockwise hands motion--a truly ridiculous claim that he quoted as gospel in the watch collecting community.
The movement in question is a Bulova 11 ALAC.
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watchknut
·You actually mentioned the dial issue, which is obviously easier for observers to judge.
The non-subjective issue is the ridiculous claim stated as fact about watch movements and hand setting which came the day after the refund was made.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorI own two Self-Winding Bulovas with the 10BOAC movements which are very similar to the 11ALAC. I never noticed any characteristics with these movements that are different that any other 3-handed automatic watches, but I will check tonight.
I would think it near impossible that any watchmaker could reassemble a movement in a manner that would cause the direction of the hand settings to reverse from the way it was set up originally.
We may just be dealing with ignorance at this point.
gatorcpa
I would think it near impossible that any watchmaker could reassemble a movement in a manner that would cause the direction of the hand settings to reverse from the way it was set up originally.
We may just be dealing with ignorance at this point.
gatorcpa
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·The real issue is that is a dealer whose website touts their knowledge about vintage timepieces and the importance of buying a correct watch, and who is clearly trying to take advantage of sellers and potentially buyers by making ridiculous claims in an attempt to potentially squeeze more refund money out of a seller--otherwise, why make the claim?
To quote directly, "Dude, I have never had a watch that sets backwards. Rotate the crown front to back and the hands should move clockwise...I have handled hundreds of watches and never had this (counter clockwise crown, clockwise setting) happen...you have a screwed up watchmaker."
After pointing out that over the years never thought to care about the crown direction, and never had anyone else care, and that the watch he bought was sold "as is", his response was, "I was just curious if it was a Bulova thing or a watchmaker screw up...I literally don't know anyone in the watch community who would have wound that watch and been like, "oh, that's no big deal". It is something you should disclose."
Again, after stating that in 30 years of collecting, I, nor anyone else I ever met, ever mentioned or seemed to care about the direction of the crown he responds, "And if you are going to pray ignorance about the watch winding the wrong way is totally absurd. Either you have a watchmaker who butchers every one of your watches, you are lying, or you just maybe have one or two watches and don't know better. And I know it ain't that last one. Take care man."
This is not ignorance.
To quote directly, "Dude, I have never had a watch that sets backwards. Rotate the crown front to back and the hands should move clockwise...I have handled hundreds of watches and never had this (counter clockwise crown, clockwise setting) happen...you have a screwed up watchmaker."
After pointing out that over the years never thought to care about the crown direction, and never had anyone else care, and that the watch he bought was sold "as is", his response was, "I was just curious if it was a Bulova thing or a watchmaker screw up...I literally don't know anyone in the watch community who would have wound that watch and been like, "oh, that's no big deal". It is something you should disclose."
Again, after stating that in 30 years of collecting, I, nor anyone else I ever met, ever mentioned or seemed to care about the direction of the crown he responds, "And if you are going to pray ignorance about the watch winding the wrong way is totally absurd. Either you have a watchmaker who butchers every one of your watches, you are lying, or you just maybe have one or two watches and don't know better. And I know it ain't that last one. Take care man."
This is not ignorance.
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tyrantlizardrex
·I take back my previous accusation of ArseHattery. This man is a Total Arse Clown.
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abrod520
·I wasn't too concerned before but now I'ma PM you for this dude's name.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI would think it near impossible that any watchmaker could reassemble a movement in a manner that would cause the direction of the hand settings to reverse from the way it was set up originally.
We may just be dealing with ignorance at this point.
gatorcpa
If you have a series of gears that when you turn the first one clockwise, the second will turn CCW, the third will turn CW and so on. This is very simple to visualize and something you would see on a very basic mechanical aptitude test, where a drawing of several gears will be shown where the direction of the first gear will be given and you have to state what the direction of the last gear is...primary school (grade 7 or 8) kind of knowledge...
To change the direction, another gear would have to be added as I've said in this thread. You can't just assemble it differently to make this change, so on the dial side you would have to add a post for a gear to turn on, change the diameters of a few gears to allow space for the extra gear, then ensure that all the gear ratios work out properly. It can be done, but it's not something a "butcher" would be able to do, as it would certainly require some skill.
The buyer of the watch clearly is pulling something here, because if he has handled hundreds of watches he has surely had some that set in the opposite way. This is not ignorance in my mind, but a blatant attempt to scam an additional refund from the seller. Watches that set the other way are certainly not uncommon by any means, so this is a scam...period.
Cheers, Al
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