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Is 50 meters water resistance too risky?
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Nobel Prize
·I've never settled for less than 100 meters in the past...
Silly to pass on a great watch just because of depth rating.
Now, if you want only one watch and you want to be able to dive, sky dive, play tennis and make love with it.... then yeah, don’t settle. James Bond wouldn’t either.
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JwRosenthal
·If I see a great watch that I like and it has 0 water resistance I buy it.... because I can always wear another watch from my collection at 50, or 100, or 300, or 1000 feet.
Silly to pass on a great watch just because of depth rating.
Now, if you want only one watch and you want to be able to dive, sky dive, play tennis and make love with it.... then yeah, don’t settle. James Bond wouldn’t either.
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Nobel Prize
·James Bond didn’t free-dive to 100 meters 😉
ahw shut up!!
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eternalover
·I would not recommend diving with anything very shiny esp in the tropics.
Apparently barracuda have been known to be attracted to flashy things underwater, even bubbles in a beard.
Watch out if you are wearing a glitzy Rolex or something, they really go for them and You see plenty of one handed ex Rolex wearers in the Caribbean, and the sea bed is littered with bad taste shiny watches of that type.
Apparently barracuda have been known to be attracted to flashy things underwater, even bubbles in a beard.
Watch out if you are wearing a glitzy Rolex or something, they really go for them and You see plenty of one handed ex Rolex wearers in the Caribbean, and the sea bed is littered with bad taste shiny watches of that type.
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Darlinboy
··Pratts! Will I B******S!!!I don't like being "that guy," but there's no need to make multiple threads on the same topic. There are also plenty of threads on the topic of WR, and will answer your question if you are willing to search around.
Lighten up. I have nothing against your post, it was just worded funny. You can’t hate being that guy if you’re that guy and so forth... anyway, sorry if I offended you.
For the record.... "that guy" is the OP, who has created yet another thread on a tired and done-to-death topic that is easily researched with a minimal investment of time and effort. 🤦
Please refer to my avatar for further information.
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JimInOz
··Melbourne AustraliaJames Bond didn’t free-dive to 100 meters 😉
Chuck Norris did.
Without a mask, snorkel and fins.
But he did wear a SNORKEL!
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Concretepuppy
·i think Chuck Norris can breathe water anyway
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHi. I'd like to buy a Longines VHP but I am wary of 50 meters water resistance. Is that realistic?
Unclear if you are asking if the 50m is realistic, or being wary of a 50m rating is realistic.
If it's the former, yes.
I don't intend to shower with it, but can it stand an occasional cleaning under a faucet with no problem?
Yes, provided the seals are in good condition, which brings us to the last question...
What happens to the gaskets after a few years, do they deteriorate?
Yes. Water resistance is not permanent, so it has to be maintained, and this is true regardless of what the depth rating is. Most manufacturers will suggest yearly pressure testing, but realize this is just a snapshot in time. The only thing that ensures water resistance going forward, is regular replacement of the seals, which is usually done at approx. 5 year intervals.
Generally my advice is to consult with the manufacturer regarding what the water resistance of their watches are and what you can and can't do with them, and ignore any other anonymous water resistance charts you might find posted various places, or on web sites of watch blogs and dealers.
Cheers, Al
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Concretepuppy
·Brilliant,
Watch-Yoda has spoken
Watch-Yoda has spoken
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·Found this other brilliant chart
Here's the link to Longines' online .pdf
https://www.longines.com/uploads/customerservice/userguide/technical/pdf/EN_Screw_down1.pdf
But generally if i understand correctly, (i can already feel Yoda standing behind me with his light-sabre drawn) a 50m rating does not mean you can go swimming about 50m beneath the waves then come up and expect the watch to be ok, the pressure exerted on the seals at this depth is quite something, and your arm movement will help force water molecules through the seals, then upon surfacing the heat from your wrist will cause them to condensate on the inside of the crystal, so a 50m rating is if it's static and no extra pressure is exerted on the seals with movement, tidal or otherwise, which is why the manufacturers usually prefer to use atmospheric pressure as a guide, although this is not as attractive to their dive-watch buying market, who like to imagine their watch being robust at a depth who most recreational divers don't even go near, 25m is the bsac and padi standard for most divers with the open water type certification, my maximum permitted depth is 18m and i consider myself a novice diver with only 23 dives in my book, i went to 20m once in thailand and visibility was greatly reduced so i can't imagine what 50m would look like, but you can feel the pressure increase even in those two extra metres, so it's considered that swimming on the surface with a 50m rated watch exerts about the same pressure on the seals, (once all the arm movement is taken into account) as if it was sitting static 50m down with no movement of water around it
Here's the link to Longines' online .pdf
https://www.longines.com/uploads/customerservice/userguide/technical/pdf/EN_Screw_down1.pdf
But generally if i understand correctly, (i can already feel Yoda standing behind me with his light-sabre drawn) a 50m rating does not mean you can go swimming about 50m beneath the waves then come up and expect the watch to be ok, the pressure exerted on the seals at this depth is quite something, and your arm movement will help force water molecules through the seals, then upon surfacing the heat from your wrist will cause them to condensate on the inside of the crystal, so a 50m rating is if it's static and no extra pressure is exerted on the seals with movement, tidal or otherwise, which is why the manufacturers usually prefer to use atmospheric pressure as a guide, although this is not as attractive to their dive-watch buying market, who like to imagine their watch being robust at a depth who most recreational divers don't even go near, 25m is the bsac and padi standard for most divers with the open water type certification, my maximum permitted depth is 18m and i consider myself a novice diver with only 23 dives in my book, i went to 20m once in thailand and visibility was greatly reduced so i can't imagine what 50m would look like, but you can feel the pressure increase even in those two extra metres, so it's considered that swimming on the surface with a 50m rated watch exerts about the same pressure on the seals, (once all the arm movement is taken into account) as if it was sitting static 50m down with no movement of water around it
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YY77
·Found this other brilliant chart
Here's the link to Longines' online .pdf
https://www.longines.com/uploads/customerservice/userguide/technical/pdf/EN_Screw_down1.pdf
But generally if i understand correctly, (i can already feel Yoda standing behind me with his light-sabre drawn) a 50m rating does not mean you can go swimming about 50m beneath the waves then come up and expect the watch to be ok, the pressure exerted on the seals at this depth is quite something, and your arm movement will help force water molecules through the seals, then upon surfacing the heat from your wrist will cause them to condensate on the inside of the crystal, so a 50m rating is if it's static and no extra pressure is exerted on the seals with movement, tidal or otherwise, which is why the manufacturers usually prefer to use atmospheric pressure as a guide, although this is not as attractive to their dive-watch buying market, who like to imagine their watch being robust at a depth who most recreational divers don't even go near, 25m is the bsac and padi standard for most divers with the open water type certification, my maximum permitted depth is 18m and i consider myself a novice diver with only 23 dives in my book, i went to 20m once in thailand and visibility was greatly reduced so i can't imagine what 50m would look like, but you can feel the pressure increase even in those two extra metres, so it's considered that swimming on the surface with a 50m rated watch exerts about the same pressure on the seals, (once all the arm movement is taken into account) as if it was sitting static 50m down with no movement of water around it
https://omegaforums.net/threads/wat...-the-new-moon-watch-3861.128271/#post-1735337
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Concretepuppy
·You need to read this post from Yoda which makes it crystal clear;
https://omegaforums.net/threads/wat...-the-new-moon-watch-3861.128271/#post-1735337
Thanks, that Timex was indeed subjected to some dynamic pressure there, i love those old adverts too, (those days they sold a product by it's robust performance and elegance, not by a modern carefree and totally unrealistic lifestyle that products associate themselves with like nowadays) it was not not at any depth though, but still pretty rigorous, but it also didn't show you the crystal after an hour when usually the fogging inside the crystal starts to form, (also but just playing devil's advocate here, it could have been a totally different watch they showed after) Yoda referenced the Omega specs that state they behave exactly as their specifications specificy , but the Longines the original poster was asking about may be different, or may not be, but assuming the watch will be straight from the factory then their own specs should also be what they state in their own chart, given the seals are brand new and have only been factory tested to the company's standard, whatever that might be
there's lots of threads on this subject, probably because new members haven't seen the ones from a couple of years ago, or more, so it's understandable that some of the senior members get frustrated when it's brought up again, hopefully if there's one statement that maybe we could all agree on it might be this:
" a watch's depth rating ability will differ from manufacturer to manufacturer, if you intend to use your (new) watch in water, whatever the depth, please thoroughly research the watch's specs and even contact the manufacturer to ask directly just to be sure, but get the seals checked and/or replaced yearly if you use it underwater every day, or biennial (i had to look that word up) if once a month (example), or, if any even slight fogging appears then unscrew the crown to allow moisture to escape as an interim measure and take it to a repair/service centre"
But please, if you don't agree, alter that or trash it, set fire to it and dance naked on it's embers if it's total nonsense, i'm very much a Jawa when it comes to Planet Watch, but airing my incorrect and misinformed ramblings is the only way i can learn the way of the force, in fact i'm not even a Jawa yet,
must try to work on my chart-obsession
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmakerhopefully if there's one statement that maybe we could all agree on it might be this:
" a watch's depth rating ability will differ from manufacturer to manufacturer, if you intend to use your (new) watch in water, whatever the depth, please thoroughly research the watch's specs and even contact the manufacturer to ask directly just to be sure,
Echo in here...😀
Generally my advice is to consult with the manufacturer regarding what the water resistance of their watches are and what you can and can't do with them, and ignore any other anonymous water resistance charts you might find posted various places, or on web sites of watch blogs and dealers.
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karlenko123
·Living in a hot and humid place like Vietnam, I could say that 50m water resitance should be fine, as long as the gaskets are in working order.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesYes, 50 meters is too risky for any of the watches here because it has been determined by the State of their owner's mind that moisture may be a hazard to a watch's health.
The watches don't mind the imposition and the owner has never required a wet watch in order to tell the time.
Diver or not, service history aside, the watches are not wet. Well ... except for the accidential dunking of the beater watch in Lake Leon while gathering duck decoys.
It's fine for those who deem wet watches important, but I haven't missed out on life by taking care to avoid wetting the watches. I have missed out on unpleasantness of surprise failures causing moisture intrusion, which can be the unwanted "gift" that keeps on "giving."
The watches don't mind the imposition and the owner has never required a wet watch in order to tell the time.
Diver or not, service history aside, the watches are not wet. Well ... except for the accidential dunking of the beater watch in Lake Leon while gathering duck decoys.
It's fine for those who deem wet watches important, but I haven't missed out on life by taking care to avoid wetting the watches. I have missed out on unpleasantness of surprise failures causing moisture intrusion, which can be the unwanted "gift" that keeps on "giving."
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Concretepuppy
·Echo in here...😀
Yes an echo, we must be in a cyber-cave, they say imitation is the highest form of compliment, so plagiarism must be a close second, glad we agree on something, i'm still a Jawa remember
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·Yes, 50 meters is too risky for any of the watches here because it has been determined by the State of their owner's mind that moisture may be a hazard to a watch's health.
The watches don't mind the imposition and the owner has never required a wet watch in order to tell the time.
Diver or not, service history aside, the watches are not wet. Well ... except for the accidential dunking of the beater watch in Lake Leon while gathering duck decoys.
It's fine for those who deem wet watches important, but I haven't missed out on life by taking care to avoid wetting the watches. I have missed out on unpleasantness of surprise failures causing moisture intrusion, which can be the unwanted "gift" that keeps on "giving."
If I know I am going to be getting into a really wet environment, I wear my Seiko that day.
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