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how important are boxes and papers?
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmaker+1. Hard to believe.
Well, if you look at the sales section of VRF right now, some guy is selling tags from Tudor watches for well over $100 each - this is just a paper/foil tag. Another seller has several booklets for sale...one is a Sub booklet for 400 Euro, and another is a Milgauss book for 700 and another one with DRSD in it for 700 Euro, and a few others for the same kind of money.
I can't seem to post a direct link, but the thread is titled:
FS: Rolex Rare Booklet - Daytona 6263, Milgauss 1019, Submariner 1680 1665, Explorer 1655
Have a look for yourself. Now these are asking prices, but they do give some indication that these things can have quite a lot of value.
Cheers, Al
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFThe annoying thing is Rolex ADs didn't always sell a watch with the correct box set, so I've got a Day-Date box set with my 1680, although the receipt specifies it was a steel sub. The Day-Date set seems to be worth sod all compared to the sports model sets.
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Nobel Prize
·Only reason I can see for that value is if someone bought it to then sell it with a fake watch.
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cristit
·Al, I perfectly understand you and I saw people asking for a high price but it doesn't make sens to me, at least for the moment, to pay such an amount just for a booklet.
For example, we were talking about the box. There are lot of nice boxes. My LLD has one really great. I had also a Frederique Constant with a beautiful leather cover box.
What I mean is that you can enjoy a nice box and it worth the money.
But that booklet for 600 usd it is difficult to be accepted in my eyes.
For example, we were talking about the box. There are lot of nice boxes. My LLD has one really great. I had also a Frederique Constant with a beautiful leather cover box.
What I mean is that you can enjoy a nice box and it worth the money.
But that booklet for 600 usd it is difficult to be accepted in my eyes.
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mac_omega
·If you had a "sole" 2998-1 in nice condition and you got the chance to complete it with an original red Speedy box - would you buy it?
Or a nice large Sterling silver box to go with your Conny Grand luxe?
Or an original "Olympic" box to complete your 2850 SM Melbourne?
I would not hesitate one second if the price were not insane!
And there are several more combos which come to mind...
I have already spent quite a lot of money for period/model correct boxes and I do not regret any single dollar / euro 😉
Or a nice large Sterling silver box to go with your Conny Grand luxe?
Or an original "Olympic" box to complete your 2850 SM Melbourne?
I would not hesitate one second if the price were not insane!
And there are several more combos which come to mind...
I have already spent quite a lot of money for period/model correct boxes and I do not regret any single dollar / euro 😉
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RCAFBuster
·I agree with Mac_Omega. From a collector's standpoint, I think it important to return the timepiece to as close to original as possible and the boxes really set them off.
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFIf you had a "sole" 2998-1 in nice condition and you got the chance to complete it with an original red Speedy box - would you buy it?
Or a nice large Sterling silver box to go with your Conny Grand luxe?
Or an original "Olympic" box to complete your 2850 SM Melbourne?
I would not hesitate one second if the price were not insane!
And there are several more combos which come to mind...
I have already spent quite a lot of money for period/model correct boxes and I do not regret any single dollar / euro 😉
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAl, I perfectly understand you and I saw people asking for a high price but it doesn't make sens to me, at least for the moment, to pay such an amount just for a booklet.
For example, we were talking about the box. There are lot of nice boxes. My LLD has one really great. I had also a Frederique Constant with a beautiful leather cover box.
What I mean is that you can enjoy a nice box and it worth the money.
But that booklet for 600 usd it is difficult to be accepted in my eyes.
I think one difference is that the boxes you are referring to are for modern watches, and not particularly rare in any way (at least at this time - who knows what the future will be). Although Omega charges $900 or so for the new Speedmaster box, this is unusual that a box on a mass produced modern watch would be so expensive, and it also includes some other things. Some independents make boxes for their watches that are worth more than a lot of the watches you see on here, but those are a different animal.
I also think the mindset is different between a watch enthusiast, and a true hard core collector. I don't consider myself a collector - my "collection" of watches is not focused in any way, I have no particular goals, and I simply just buy what I like. If the Red Sub didn't have the booklet, I sure as hell would not pay $600 for one. But to the right person in the right circumstance, these can be worth a lot of money. I expect that if/when I sell this watch, I will get more for it with that booklet than without - how much I can't say, but it is worth money.
People pay stupid (to me) money for all kinds of things. Do you remember Beanie Babies? People went wild at one time collecting these things, paying crazy money for the right one, until the market fell through. In a similar area there are action figures from movies etc. that are worth huge money to someone, but nothing to me.
It all depends on your perspective. Just because it's not worth $600 to you doesn't mean it isn't worth that to someone else.
Cheers, Al
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Nobel Prize
·Well, I have a bunch of cartier and Omega booklets and boxes if anyone is interested on paying me 600 a piece
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cristit
·Al, we are mixing the things between boxes and booklets.
I am up for having the box and what I wanted to underline is that there are nice boxes that really worth the money. Nevertheless, I really enjoy having a nice box and I do not agree that the box is useless since we are not wearing it on our wrist, as someone above stipulated.
But, I have to disagree with the 600 usd booklet. I saw the example of that booklet for a Rolex and, from my perspective, doesn't worth this amount. Is just my perspective, as you mentioned.
I am up for having the box and what I wanted to underline is that there are nice boxes that really worth the money. Nevertheless, I really enjoy having a nice box and I do not agree that the box is useless since we are not wearing it on our wrist, as someone above stipulated.
But, I have to disagree with the 600 usd booklet. I saw the example of that booklet for a Rolex and, from my perspective, doesn't worth this amount. Is just my perspective, as you mentioned.
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cristit
·Well, I have a bunch of cartier and Omega booklets and boxes if anyone is interested on paying me 600 a piece
Pay attention, 600 usd is just for one booklet. 😀
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAl, we are mixing the things between boxes and booklets.
I am up for having the box and what I wanted to underline is that there are nice boxes that really worth the money. Nevertheless, I really enjoy having a nice box and I do not agree that the box is useless since we are not wearing it on our wrist, as someone above stipulated.
But, I have to disagree with the 600 usd booklet. I saw the example of that booklet for a Rolex and, from my perspective, doesn't worth this amount. Is just my perspective, as you mentioned.
I'm not mixing anything - the thread is about the importance of box and papers...
I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with - these things are worth what they are worth if you disagree or not. I understand you personally don't see the value in these things, but that isn't the point of this thread really.
Not all boxes and papers have the same worth, that is pretty obvious....
Horse is dead, beaten, and I'm out.
Cheers, Al
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Event horizon
·A true story.
While my friend was getting served in a AD a guy walked in and the assistant asked if he could help him. The guy said "I bought a seamaster about 18 months ago and it's gone faulty. I took it off a couple of weeks ago and it stopped after a couple of days. Oh and I didn't take the box when I bought it as well."The assistant took the watch from the guy and shook it a few times, satisfied it works he explained to the guy "it's an automatic sir you have to wear it to keep it wound up or it stops after a couple of days. On the subject of the box we dispose of them after six months. The guy is crestfallen and retorts " I knew I should have bought a real watch, how much is a Rolex?" The assistant goes on to tell him that Rolexes work in the same way. The guy then asks "haven't you got any real watches that take a battery?" The dude left the shop with the same watch as he entered the shop with but the quartz version instead and a few hundred pounds lighter.
The bottom line is this, if you are a drug dealing chav then the box and papers mean nothing. If you are middle aged and have a very keen interest in watches and have joined a forum or two specialising in watches, then you need the box and papers at all costs. That makes you an obsessive weirdo and only people on like minded forums understand you. To the untrained masses you are crackers and will spend too much money on outdated technology.
While my friend was getting served in a AD a guy walked in and the assistant asked if he could help him. The guy said "I bought a seamaster about 18 months ago and it's gone faulty. I took it off a couple of weeks ago and it stopped after a couple of days. Oh and I didn't take the box when I bought it as well."The assistant took the watch from the guy and shook it a few times, satisfied it works he explained to the guy "it's an automatic sir you have to wear it to keep it wound up or it stops after a couple of days. On the subject of the box we dispose of them after six months. The guy is crestfallen and retorts " I knew I should have bought a real watch, how much is a Rolex?" The assistant goes on to tell him that Rolexes work in the same way. The guy then asks "haven't you got any real watches that take a battery?" The dude left the shop with the same watch as he entered the shop with but the quartz version instead and a few hundred pounds lighter.
The bottom line is this, if you are a drug dealing chav then the box and papers mean nothing. If you are middle aged and have a very keen interest in watches and have joined a forum or two specialising in watches, then you need the box and papers at all costs. That makes you an obsessive weirdo and only people on like minded forums understand you. To the untrained masses you are crackers and will spend too much money on outdated technology.
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Stewart H
·A true story.
The bottom line is this, if you are a drug dealing chav then the box and papers mean nothing. If you are middle aged and have a very keen interest in watches and have joined a forum or two specialising in watches, then you need the box and papers at all costs. That makes you an obsessive weirdo and only people on like minded forums understand you. To the untrained masses you are crackers and will spend too much money on outdated technology.
My family think I'm weird because I keep the boxes for everything.
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alam
·My family think I'm weird because I keep the boxes for everything.
Try doing twenty years in the military, relocating to new duty stations all over the world every three years, and then...keeping boxes and original packing materials for all your toys becomes a standard operating procedure. 😀
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yinzerniner
·I've seen many others say that matching boxes and papers are worth roughly 10-15% of the value of the watch, but need to be taken on a case by case basis. A matching/paired warranty card and/or pictograms, chronometer certificates, hang tages etc are much harder or impossible to acquire later on, while boxes, manuals and other packaging are usually found easily but for a price. It also depends on whether you see yourself selling it a later date. If you are, then having matching materials is very important.
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaI wondered this too.
I bought my Gemini IV without box and papers and since I plan to pass this one on I was not worried about it, but heck I may decide to buy a 50th LE (did I read a post about a blue dial meteorite).
In any case, I am curious to know what a price with and without box would be in my case.
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