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How do you get rid of redials ethically

mseamaster
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I am soon going to receive a redial I bought (sad). In such cases, what's your strategy?

Assuming you can't find a replacement dial and want to sell the watch, do you try to sell it as a movement plus case or as a whole watch clearly marking it as a redial? Naturally the price would be lower on such a thing, but I am wondering who would want to buy it as a whole watch and not just the movement or case?
 
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Clearly state redial in the sales post, job done😀
 
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Barking mad Barking mad
Clearly state redial in the sales post, job done😀
I thought it was not allowed to sell redials in private sales even if clearly labelled as such.

Btw would anyone want to buy a redial and wear it as oppose to use it for parts or swap the dial?
 
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mseamaster mseamaster
I thought it was not allowed to sell redials in private sales even if clearly labelled as such.

Btw would anyone want to buy a redial and wear it as oppose to use it for parts or swap the dial?
I was not aware that we had a no redial rule. While redials are not universally loved they are not verbotten. Some well executed ones have been seen on here and appreciated by many members, especially when the dial was badly damaged.
 
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mseamaster mseamaster
I am soon going to receive a redial I bought (sad). In such cases, what's your strategy?

Assuming you can't find a replacement dial and want to sell the watch, do you try to sell it as a movement plus case or as a whole watch clearly marking it as a redial? Naturally the price would be lower on such a thing, but I am wondering who would want to buy it as a whole watch and not just the movement or case?

99% of the people I work with don’t notice I’m wearing a watch. If any of them did, and wanted to dip a toe into watch ownership, 99% wouldn’t know or care if the dial has been redone. A redialed watch can still be perfectly lovable and bring someone a lot of joy, but it needs to be priced accordingly. We here know that redials are a factor in purchasing a watch. Non-collectors? It would never cross their mind. As long as the ad declares the redial or assumed-redial, go for it. Describing redials as “professionally refinished” drives me nuts though…it feels misleading. I’d prefer to say it was repainted or repaired, letting the non-nerds know more about the issue, I think.
 
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No fakes for sale here, but if it’s a redial on a real watch (which happened commonly) as long as it’s clearly disclosed “this watch has had the dial refinished at some point”, then there is no ambiguity. If the next owner wants to find a replacement or part the watch out, that is then their prerogative.
 
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Thanks everyone. Yes, we are talking about repainted dials on a proper watch, not fakes.

Btw what's your opinion on medallion replacements on KS/GS? Personally I think it should be clearly stated if done. I know the medallion is not a crucial part and it's not visible when you wear the watch.. but it's important. And not fair to say it's in good condition when it was replaced with an aftermarket one.
 
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mseamaster mseamaster
Thanks everyone. Yes, we are talking about repainted dials on a proper watch, not fakes.

Btw what's your opinion on medallion replacements on KS/GS? Personally I think it should be clearly stated if done. I know the medallion is not a crucial part and it's not visible when you wear the watch.. but it's important. And not fair to say it's in good condition when it was replaced with an aftermarket one.
Aftermarket- yes, disclose it. If you want to stay on the right side and good graces of this group, honesty is the best policy. Nobody can fault you if you put it all out there.
 
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Aftermarket- yes, disclose it. If you want to stay on the right side and good graces of this group, honesty is the best policy. Nobody can fault you if you put it all out there.
Yep, the one I am selling has an original medallion and I am throwing in a replacement medallion for free in case the buyer wants to swap it.
 
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Yep, the one I am selling has an original medallion and I am throwing in a replacement medallion for free in case the buyer wants to swap it.
You are on the right path my friend, everyone likes feeebies.
 
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Most vintage Omegas had their dial repainted. I suspect more than 50 percent. It is just the way things were done till about 15 or so years back.

The value of such is significanlty lower. I think what the collectors object to is when a redial is hidden or not disclosed.

Such watches are not really collectable, but they make great daily wearers and beater watches.
 
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sheepdoll sheepdoll
Most vintage Omegas had their dial repainted. I suspect more than 50 percent. It is just the way things were done till about 15 or so years back.

The value of such is significanlty lower. I think what the collectors object to is when a redial is hidden or not disclosed.

Such watches are not really collectable, but they make great daily wearers and beater watches.
But as previously stated, most people buying vintage watches saw a few influencer pics online or had their curiosity peaked and just want a pretty watch- they don’t usually care about originality like we do on collector forums. Where we tend to get protective and police the free market is when we see deceptive and predatory behavior from sellers “original dial” (under that layer of fresh paint there may be an original dial), “professionally restored” (umm- that’s one way to put it but I question the professionalism), “rare and pristine condition” (depends on what your calibration point is on both).
 
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Personally, I would say that an aftermarket medallion is much more questionable than a repainted dial. I would never sell a counterfeit branded part and strictly speaking it may be a violation of forum rules.
 
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Dan S Dan S
Personally, I would say that an aftermarket medallion is much more questionable than a repainted dial. I would never sell a counterfeit branded part and strictly speaking it may be a violation of forum rules.
This is a good point- didn’t think about the medallion even offered as an accessory being fake- yeah, that’s a no-no.
 
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This is a good point- didn’t think about the medallion even offered as an accessory being fake- yeah, that’s a no-no.
I can remove it from the listing if it's not okay, since it's just a freebie. The watch itself has an original medallion(looks the same as the one on my other KS/GS). Honestly speaking, if not for the color and if I didn't have other KS/GS, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Update: I am removing it from the listing. I will just mention that people can buy it separately off ebay or somewhere else without adding links

Done.

Gentle Ben Gentle Ben
I know you have not received the watch yet, but any pictures?
It's an obvious GS redial which I bought in a hurry and while extremely tired. Anyone would recognize it, so you couldn't sell it as a non-redial even if want to(unless you find someone like me to buy it, lol). GS redials are rare and most are crap. For anyone interested in telling them apart - usually it's the 36000 hi beat font, and the text on the bottom. Otherwise the hour markers, the Seiko and the GS looks alright.
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