How do I identify the age of this inheritance

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@sandralynnbowen since you’re new to the forum, it may be lost on you that the folks here commenting on the beauty and quality of the watch are typically hyper-critical curmudgeons with nothing nice to say 😁
Whatever, poseur.

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Jim, in your experience, is negative set more prevalent in North America?

I think it stems 😁 from the way watches were made in the US in those days Tom.

The large watch factories made and distributed standard sized movements which were intended to be fitted to standard sized cases made by watch case manufacturers. The two industries were seperate entities in the early years of American watch production.

Because fitting a movement to a case was meant to be a relatively simple task performed by the local jeweller, the movements had no protruding stem. It could easily be popped into a case of the buyers choice.

To correspond, the case makers produced cases with incorporated crowns/stems that would be in winding mode when the crown was pushed in and in setting mode when the crown was pulled out.

So, a jeweller would take a movement, which would be in "setting" mode due to the setting lever spring not being depressed/disengaged, and put it into the case with the crown retracted. The crown would then be pushed in to wind the watch, pulled out to set time and then back in to run.

This method was used up until about the 1900s when watch factory/case makers became complete "watch producers" and the need for case/movement standardisation faded away and watch movements were produced with integrated stems with "positive" setting which is the normal configuration today.

Swiss watches of that period were usually found with the integrated stem as we have today, but produced negative set movements, I assume mainly for the American market to allow Swiss movements to be fitted to US made cases.

If you look at the pic of the OPs movement, you'll notice there is no screw for depressing the setting works to allow removal of the stem as is found in watch movements with integrated stems.



PS: This is all from memory, so if I have things arse about I invite corrections.

Cheers Jim
 
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Whatever, poseur.

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Yes it was lost on me. Thanks for the enlightenment. It’s been fascinating learning about pocket watches and mine in particular now. I love the inner workings as much as the outer. I was truly dazzled when I finally got the back cover opened. The intricacies and complexity of the minuscule parts along with the brilliance and hue of the rubies (?) was pure delight. It would be nice to know more about the dial itself too. It does have Omega on the second hand dial. Would it have been made by Omega and shipped to the states? It’s so beautifully designed.
 
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LX is a grade of finish (I assume).

Dear Jim,

I don´t want to act like a busybody but IMO your explanation is (partly) not correct. The "L" stands for "Lepin" which means "open face"
 
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Something kept nagging at me, I was sure I'd seen a watch like that before, so I got out my bible and found one very similar in the "Creation" chapter.

While very similar, your's has a different movement, small details on the dial are different and the hands are not the usual style seen on Omegas of this period and they may have been US style hands fitted during purchase or later.

 
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Dear Jim,

I don´t want to act like a busybody but IMO your explanation is (partly) not correct. The "L" stands for "Lepin" which means "open face"

Thanks Erich, my booboo.
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To my understanding the caliber came in two styles, LX for Lépine and SX for Savonette.

Is there any meaning to the "X"?
 
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.............. It does have Omega on the second hand dial. Would it have been made by Omega and shipped to the states? It’s so beautifully designed.

Yes, the movement and dial would have been exported from Switzerland as a complete unit for casing in the receiving country.
I don't know if the hands were part of the original movement/dial combo or not.

Edit: As I mentioned earlier, I believe the hands don't have "Omega DNA" and I've found an example of the minute hand like the ones on your watch. I still have to find an example of the hour hand.



Edit: After finding this, I suspect the hands are a match and probably a version of morning glory. These are usually found on American watches.

From PM Time Service

"The end of the hand is detailed with a stylized flower bloom design that is reminiscent of a morning glory or tulip bloom. Similar to the "Morning Glory - open" style but with a solid design instead of having open spaces in the design."

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Thanks Erich, my booboo.
:whipped:

To my understanding the caliber came in two styles, LX for Lépine and SX for Savonette.

Is there any meaning to the "X"?

I have searched the Omega bible but was not able to find an explanation for the "X"
As the cal 19´´´ was build in 2 different versions, one with the common shape of plates and bridges, the other with "snake-shaped" bridges (as Omega calls it) as in the OP´s watch - the X might be the abbreviation for this kind of movement - just a thought...
 
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I have searched the Omega bible but was not able to find an explanation for the "X"
As the cal 19´´´ was build in 2 different versions, one with the common shape of plates and bridges, the other with "snake-shaped" bridges (as Omega calls it) as in the OP´s watch - the X might be the abbreviation for this kind of movement - just a thought...

Good deduction, I agree as it seems the only calibers with the "X" designation are the 13''' 15''' 17''' 19''' and 20''' with the serpentine bridges.
 
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A little bit of entertaining thread drift.

Do we remember the retailer of the watch?



It seems the family was quite busy in Cleveland at the turn of the 20th century. Not only did they have the pleasure of selling a very nice Omega pocket watch, they also had some moments of excitement.

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From "THE HOROLOGICAL REVIEW", 1908.

Another Short Change Swindler Reported to be Working in the Middle West.

The Jewelers Security Alliance, 13 Maiden Lane, New York, received a letter Friday which indicates that a short change swindler is now at large in the Middle West, where he has been trying his tricks on jewelers. The letter was from Cleveland and stated that on July 25 a man called at the store of the Hueter Jewelry Co., 5372 E. St. Clair Ave., and looked at some diamonds. He went out saying that he would return again. Mr. Hueter was suspicious of the man and determined to watch him closely. In a short time other customers entered the store, and while they were there the first visitor returned and became engaged in talking with everybody.
He finally decided to purchase a solitaire diamond ring which was in the case, and also a diamond stud worn by Mr. Heuter.
The two stones were well matched and were sold to the man for $130 each. The buyer counted out the money in bills and stated that he would take the diamonds to the house and if they were not satisfactory he would return them.

When Mr. Hueter counted the money given in payment he noticed that it was one dollar short, but said nothing about it, as he intended to let it pass at this, but the customer insisted that he had counted out too much money and wished to recount it.
Mr. Hueter told him of the shortage at this time, but said, “We will let it go.” The man insisted upon recounting the money and did so, laying down two 50s, five 20s, four 10s and 19 ones, and exclaimed, “You are right, it’s one dollar short,” and he placed a silver dollar on top of the pile.

Meanwhile Mr. Hueter had drawn his gun from the pocket and held it between himself and the show case, and it began slipping down. Fearing that it would fall on the floor and strike the hammer, he replaced it in the pocket and transferred the money from the show case to a desk back of the counter, and the man departed. When he was about to put the money into the cash register he discovered that all the bills of larger denominations, which he remembers as being very crisp and new, were gone, and $20 were all that remained.

Mr. Hueter immediately went out to look for the man and learned he had boarded a St. Clair Ave. car. The jeweler took the next car, being unable to secure an automobile, but trace of the thief was lost. The jeweler informed the police department of the trick and looked through the Rogues’ Gallery, but found only one man who looked like the thief. The photograph selected, strange to say, was that of Samuel K. Reich, alias Max Gross, who is now under arrest in Brooklyn on a similar charge.

The description given of the man who swindled the jeweler is as follows: Age 30, height 5 feet 6 inches, weight 140 pounds, build medium, dark brown eyes, black curly hair, Roman nose, dark complexion, cheek bones prominent. He wore a Van Dyke beard and mustache and had on his finger a diamond ring of 1% carats.

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Nov. 30, 1911, The Cincinnati Enquirer (Cincinnati, OH):
Robber Seizes Tray of Jewelry in Cleveland Store and Escapes, Pursued By Girl Clerk

Cleveland, Ohio, November 29. -- A tray containing diamond-set jewelry valued at $2,500 was snatched in the store of John Hueter, 8806 Wade Park avenue, this afternoon by a man who made his escape. The man called when the proprietor was at lunch, and only a girl, Miss Winnie Hill, was in the store. In response to his request, she took the tray from the case to show the goods. The man seized it and ran.

Catching up a revolver, the girl sped after him, but reached the street only in time to see him disappear around a corner.
Miss Hill then returned to the store, and there fainted. The police are still looking for the thief.

A year ago John C. Hueter, a son of the jeweler victimized to-day, was robbed of valuable gems from his window.

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Fascinating thread and a gorgeous watch.

One of the marks on the case back does look like an attempt at a signature to my untrained eye.
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Fascinating thread and a gorgeous watch.

One of the marks on the case back does look like an attempt at a signature to my untrained eye.
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With the plethora of phenomenal info that you all have found on this watch coupled with the sentimental value my granddaughters just might want to keep it. This is my hope. In time I will explain to them from my limited knowledge how my husband’s great grandfather (the owners of this watch) escaped from a Soviet gulag and traveled across Poland to safety. He was my husband’s role model for overcoming adversity and tribulations and a source of strength for him throughout his life. This watch was the one and only thing he really treasured from his past. He gave it to me as he was wasting away from a botched cancer surgery gone terribly wrong. It’s been nearly 3 years since he passed and I finally found the courage to take it out and connect to it knowing it would be an emotional process which it has definitely proven to be. But the gracious and generous members who have helped uncover the mystery it presented to me have made the process very special. I’m very grateful for that. My husband would have just loved learning about all the details that have been presented here as I have. I do have one last request though, I will be having the watch serviced soon and was told I’d need to buy insurance when shipping it. Any ideas on how or who to contact to determine its value for insurance purposes? thx ☺️ once again
 
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I am in Austin, Texas

you could ask Blake scott in Kerrville. I don’t know if he serviced them, but he might know who you need. And he’s a true watch nerd.
 
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you could ask Blake scott in Kerrville. I don’t know if he serviced them, but he might know who you need. And he’s a true watch nerd.
Thanks so much
I just found his phone number on people search
 
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@sandralynnbowen thanks for sharing more of your story.

There are threads and shipping and packing...
https://omegaforums.net/threads/best-packing-and-shipping-practices.94229/

There are threads on insurance and security (someone might be able to recommend one with a USA bias)
https://omegaforums.net/threads/to-insure-or-not-to-insure.137596/

My thoughts are:-
How badly / why does the watch need a service / will it be used? Can it just be kept safe and dry in its current condition?
If you decide to service it and have picked a good watchmaker they may have advice on shipping and packing.
If you pick a good carrier service they may well insure it for you / provide an insurance service.
You need to think about a valuation and maybe adding it to your home insurance which might also have a property away from home (in your possession) element. There are also specialist insurance services for watches. Some people also chose not to insure and just take the risk.

Given all you have told us about the watch , if you do service it I would be tempted to plan a long weekend and by train, plane or automobile hand carry it to the watchmaker. Any insurance payout will not replace it if it was lost. Having said that a lot of high value items ship in the world every day without problem.

Lastly at home it’s good to have secure hidden storage and Do not let too many people know if shiny stuff is kept at the property ....but most people are already well aboard that train I guess.
 
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How badly / why does the watch need a service / will it be used? Can it just be kept safe and dry in its current condition?
I'm sorry but I don't think many here would agree with you on this point. If the watch were really to remain a 'museum piece' (that means never wound up), that would be a different matter - but from what we have been told, that is not the plan. With such a beautiful movement in a beautiful watch, it could be enjoyed as much as the day it was delivered - but must clearly be properly maintained. From the history we have been told, it may not have seen any lubrication for a LONG time.
 
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I'm sorry but I don't think many here would agree with you on this point. If the watch were really to remain a 'museum piece' (that means never wound up), that would be a different matter - but from what we have been told, that is not the plan. With such a beautiful movement in a beautiful watch, it could be enjoyed as much as the day it was delivered - but must clearly be properly maintained. From the history we have been told, it may not have seen any lubrication for a LONG time.

Yes I agree - if it is going to be used. The question is part of the decision making process.
 
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I agree with Tom.
This is, IMO, and exceptional example and even if it isn't to be worn or wound, a service will preserve it for the next generation.
Shipping should be painless as you don't need to declare contents for internal US transit (am I correct?).

If it was in Australia, I'd just put it in a well packed box and send it registered mail (or equivalent in the US).
 
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To be able to ship with insurance I’d need a valuation. There is a watch repair shop here “Old Time Watch and clock Shop” that will appraise it for $75. Is that the best way to go? My decision to have the Watch serviced is based on the fact that this watch “without a licking could go on ticking” for another century and beyond. Knowing now that the oils of that period were plant or animal based and degrade over time possibly causing issues with the working parts made it easy to opt for the apparently safer oils available when servicing today. I’m looking upon it as good Watch stewardship. I can’t believe how into this I’ve gotten.
 
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I've never heard of valuation required for postal service. I state the amount I want to cover, and that is priced commensurately. Are you using US Postal Service or someone else?

For example, I shipped a 2000s Seamaster Professional using Priority Mail to Seattle and insured it for $2500, which is about replacement cost.

For you, I would recommend registered mail and insure for $5000. It will cost a lot but it's worth it.

For registed mail, btw, you must use paper tape to seal the box, as they stamp it all over to detect tampering.