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How bad is this redial? How much does it affect the value?
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Dr No
·I bought this on eBay but am now a bit nervous about the dial, especially the shape of the A in Omega. Is there a risk this is a complete replacement face? If not what model do you think it is? The serial number checks out as 1959 but am clueless beyond that. Many thanks in advance.
It's a 9 kt Dennison (UK Ω) ref 13339 that appears pretty much intact. The case has been overly polished, which detracts from desirability.
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Flip
·Looks good to me 👍
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·To my opinion, everything is good! Looks like a very nice watch you got there.
I have cal. 30 watches having a pointy A with a 283, a 285 or a 286, a non pointy A with a 283 or a 284. Non pointy A is still okay with a 285. There is it not necessary general rules here. Anyway, your dial looks perfectly genuine to me.
I have cal. 30 watches having a pointy A with a 283, a 285 or a 286, a non pointy A with a 283 or a 284. Non pointy A is still okay with a 285. There is it not necessary general rules here. Anyway, your dial looks perfectly genuine to me.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Hallmark is July ‘59 to June ‘60 which tallies with the serial. The dial looks fine.
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hoipolloi
·Your redial has been done nicely and those applied Arabic numeral markers are beautiful. Still a very desirable watch.
Btw. Here is mine.
Btw. Here is mine.
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Melanieds
·To my opinion, everything is good! Looks like a very nice watch you got there.
I have cal. 30 watches having a pointy A with a 283, a 285 or a 286, a non pointy A with a 283 or a 284. Non pointy A is still okay with a 285. There is it not necessary general rules here. Anyway, your dial looks perfectly genuine to me.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorI'm not convinced that your watch has been redialled. It is hard to tell as the hands are covering the logo.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesLove the applied gold Arabic numeral markers. Love gold watches.
So, a dial redo or not?
Seems a distinct lack of consensus on the matter.
So, a dial redo or not?
Seems a distinct lack of consensus on the matter.
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Dr No
·Thank you- that’s comforting. I’ll post a better photo when it arrives.
Can you have a watchmaker remove the dial from the case to take a photo of the back of the dial?
I can see why there might be an issue with the dial, but on balance it seems authentic to my eyes. A photo of the back would help expose an effort at refinishing.
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··Noob taxpayerLooks original imo. Dial is nice, I wouldn't call it mint.
Case is overpolished but could mean it's been well taken care of and the dial has been preserved as a result.
Case is overpolished but could mean it's been well taken care of and the dial has been preserved as a result.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I guess because it was so clean! Also because of the shape of the A. Also I paid £400 for it sight unseen and was getting nervous.
The price you paid for it was good but not so cheap as to be suspicious. Once you factor in a service, you are in for £600 which is around what they fetch on here or eBay etc, though that one might go higher maybe since it’s clean and less often seen.
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François Pépin
·I can understand why some think it is a redial: the dial is indeed very clean (which alone would not mean redial) and the white color may be suspicious.
But with the pic posted, I still think it is rather an original dial. The “Swiss made” looks good and the part of the script we can see seems okay. Other pics would help.
But with the pic posted, I still think it is rather an original dial. The “Swiss made” looks good and the part of the script we can see seems okay. Other pics would help.
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·When you google Dennison Omega, indeed many watches come up with the same broad top A https://www.catawiki.com/l/41764387-omega-gold-dennison-13339-men-1960-1969
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·So let's dig in!
Here are some of my cal. 30 watches. I am sure they all have original dials. I have focused on the Omega script, which has raised some doubt in the OP's watch. But I have not chosen only Dennison's cased Omegas, as it is not a real factor as far as dials are concerned. I apologize for the poors pics: I have use my phone and sometimes a x15 eyeglass...
Let's start with two 285, one with a Dennison 9k case and one with a French 18k case. Both have a pointy A, so not relevant for our dial check, but still interesting for the record:
![IMG_E9694[1].JPG](https://omegaforums.net/data/attachments/1146/1146484-49834f8056c408316ff8d4551cbda36f.jpg?hash=SYNPgFbECD "IMG_E9694[1].JPG")
Now a 283 with a 80 microns Swiss made case (for the French market).
Next a 284, with a 18K French made case. We are getting closer as the sherifs are more curved (with the ends rising a little bit) as in the OP's watch.
We end with a 283 with a 18K Dennison case (I have removed the bezel for the pics). I would say we are very close to the OP's dial. The Omega scripts look almost the same: same flat A, same sherifs. And the rest of the dial is very similar as well - except from the cross hair and the numerals of course.
As I said in my first reply in this thread, one would expect watches with 285 to have rather a pointy A. But there are no general rules here, and I still think the OP's dial is genuine. Again, other pics (if possible without the glass) would help to make a definive judgement.
Edit: sorry for the two last pics: error of manipulation, and I cannot delate them without delating other pics...
Here are some of my cal. 30 watches. I am sure they all have original dials. I have focused on the Omega script, which has raised some doubt in the OP's watch. But I have not chosen only Dennison's cased Omegas, as it is not a real factor as far as dials are concerned. I apologize for the poors pics: I have use my phone and sometimes a x15 eyeglass...
Let's start with two 285, one with a Dennison 9k case and one with a French 18k case. Both have a pointy A, so not relevant for our dial check, but still interesting for the record:
Now a 283 with a 80 microns Swiss made case (for the French market).
Next a 284, with a 18K French made case. We are getting closer as the sherifs are more curved (with the ends rising a little bit) as in the OP's watch.
We end with a 283 with a 18K Dennison case (I have removed the bezel for the pics). I would say we are very close to the OP's dial. The Omega scripts look almost the same: same flat A, same sherifs. And the rest of the dial is very similar as well - except from the cross hair and the numerals of course.
As I said in my first reply in this thread, one would expect watches with 285 to have rather a pointy A. But there are no general rules here, and I still think the OP's dial is genuine. Again, other pics (if possible without the glass) would help to make a definive judgement.
Edit: sorry for the two last pics: error of manipulation, and I cannot delate them without delating other pics...
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