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Horror - dial peeled? What should I do?

OllieOnTheRocks
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Hello guys,

Pulled out one of my watches today and noticed a part of the sub dial second track appears to have “ fallen “ off the dial and is now sitting just inside the crystal..

What should I do? Remove it and just accept the damage or is there a specialist that can sort it, and finally what exactly has happened here?

It was otherwise quite a beautiful untouched dial with a nice patina so this is infuriating!

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Any advice appreciated of course

thanks guys
 
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Looks like the Lacquer has peeled taking the print with it.
 
Heisen0erg
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I don't think this is an untouched dial.

If you look at 43 sec of small seconds, you can see that the ends of the circle don't fully meet each other.

Furthermore, if you look at the outer ring of the minutes track near the 7 hour position, you can see the same thing.

To me, this looks like a poorly refinished dial that has peeled off. The dial might have been painted with a cheap protective layer after the redial to fixate the paint on the dial. Cheap because it wasn't meant for this type of underground. And as a result you can see that a whole piece has fell off taking the markings with it.

I would try to put it back, maybe with a little bit of glue beneath the broken piece.
 
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I would try to put it back, maybe with a little bit of glue beneath the broken piece.
gasp
 
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efauser efauser
gasp

Ok then, the watchmaker should put it back with a bit of transparent glue/paint. 😁

Not sure the dial can get any worse and leaving the missing spot as it is now would not look good either.
 
Spruce
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Sadly, whatever you do it’s unlikely you’ll feel the same way about wearing it in future.
 
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I don't think this is an untouched dial.

If you look at 43 sec of small seconds, you can see that the ends of the circle don't fully meet each other.

Furthermore, if you look at the outer ring of the minutes track near the 7 hour position, you can see the same thing.

To me, this looks like a poorly refinished dial that has peeled off. The dial might have been painted with a cheap protective layer after the redial to fixate the paint on the dial. Cheap because it wasn't meant for this type of underground. And as a result you can see that a whole piece has fell off taking the markings with it.

I would try to put it back, maybe with a little bit of glue beneath the broken piece.

Not meaning to burst your bubble. But sometimes it’s easier to say less when your not 100% sure. Like above comment about a poorly refinished dial and a comment the other day


Heisen0erg Heisen0erg
The dial is lumed at 12, 3, 6 and 9 positions while the hands are not. Definitely a put together franken watch.

which was wrong as the hands had lume just old and black and the whole dial had lume in the marker recess.

Not saying the above dial is not a redial as I don’t know for sure and may not be.

Can be a touch harsh blurting out a poorly refinished redial to someone concerned about a issue.😉

As said not trying to have a go at you just trying to help your help 👍

Good advice is see your watchmaker, always Better than stick it back on with glue....
 
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I don't think this is an untouched dial.

If you look at 43 sec of small seconds, you can see that the ends of the circle don't fully meet each other.

Furthermore, if you look at the outer ring of the minutes track near the 7 hour position, you can see the same thing.

To me, this looks like a poorly refinished dial that has peeled off. The dial might have been painted with a cheap protective layer after the redial to fixate the paint on the dial. Cheap because it wasn't meant for this type of underground. And as a result you can see that a whole piece has fell off taking the markings with it.

Nothing about the posted photo makes me think that the dial isn't original.
 
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Not meaning to burst your bubble. But sometimes it’s easier to say less when your not 100% sure. Like above comment about a poorly refinished dial and a comment the other day




which was wrong as the hands had lume just old and black and the whole dial had lume in the marker recess.

Not saying the above dial is not a redial but blurting out a poorly refinished redial to someone concerned about a issue.

As said not trying to have a go at you just trying to help your help 👍

Thank you for your honest reply.

I try to help as much as I can with the ever growing knowledge I get out of this forum. I appreciate if you guys correct something I am wrong about since I can learn from it as well.

Just to so I understand: Is my assessment of the above dial correct but the wording is not nuanced enough? Yeah, I might have used strong wording where it was not due.
 
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Thank you for your honest reply.

I try to help as much as I can with the ever growing knowledge I get out of this forum. I appreciate if you guys correct something I am wrong about since I can learn from it as well.

Just to so I understand: Is my assessment of the above dial correct but the wording is not nuanced enough? Yeah, I might have used strong wording where it was not due.



I don’t think it’s a redial. I think the lacquer has peeled off removing the print.

But not being sure about a redial I didn’t mention it in my first reply 😉
 
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To add to my previous reply: Based on the inconsistencies of the markings on the dial, I would assume that it was neither initially built by omega this way nor refinished by omega. I would assume that Omega has always had high standards in regards to the build quality (and painting) of their watches and would never allow a faux pas like this to happen, or am I wrong?
 
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Thank you for your honest reply.

I try to help as much as I can with the ever growing knowledge I get out of this forum. I appreciate if you guys correct something I am wrong about since I can learn from it as well.

Just to so I understand: Is my assessment of the above dial correct but the wording is not nuanced enough? Yeah, I might have used strong wording where it was not due.

Dials from this era wasn't subjected to the same quality control as later ones, so overspill on subdials etc. are poor markers of redials (the broken lines on this one could also be due to scratches in the crystal). Instead look at the subdial print and circular grooving as well as the overall aging - on this one everything looks great IMO 😀

...Apart from the flaking! 😁
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Dials from this era wasn't subjected to the same quality control as later ones, so overspill on subdials etc. are poor markers of redials (the broken lines on this one could also be due to scratches in the crystal). Instead look at the subdial print and circular grooving as well as the overall aging - on this one everything looks great IMO 😀

...Apart from the flaking! 😁

Okay, didn't know that! Thank's for the info 😉
 
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To add to my previous reply: Based on the inconsistencies of the markings on the dial, I would assume that it was neither initially built by omega this way nor refinished by omega. I would assume that Omega has always had high standards in regards to the build quality (and painting) of their watches and would never allow a faux pas like this to happen, or am I wrong?

Seaborg Seaborg
Thanks to Radium...

::facepalm1::


A older watch with Radium at the point the lacquer peeled and as @ConElPueblo mentions above different standards in this era compared to 50s -60s
 
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Okay, didn't know that! Thank's for the info 😉

Like the way you have taken feedback, we have had some newer members telling us we don’t have girlfriends and need a life at this point before 😉 👍👍
 
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I wonder if this was due to the second hand dragging along the edge of the sub second circle.

There look to be drag marks between 10 and 20 and also between 40 and 45.

This might explain why it suddenly came off.
 
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I wonder if this was due to the second hand dragging along the edge of the sub second circle.

There look to be drag marks between 10 and 20 and also between 40 and 45.

This might explain why it suddenly came off.

It seems to be consistent with where the radium meets the subdial At 5 and 7....
 
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Yes, it is possible that the radium weakened the lacquer, which was then lifted by a dragging second hand.

All speculation obviously. A watchmaker would be able to tell if the second hand is dragging or not.
 
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