Heuer Monnin 844 - redial?

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Well this is an interesting thread and one I can relate to. I'll have a look over the pics properly in due course but I know of this watch and that the seller keeps good company with other Heuer diver 'experts'-aside from @bristnj himself of course. 😀 My initial thought is it is fully legit-I've seen these shields become a bit fluffy over time. I'll have a look at mine too and see how they compare.
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OK-so here are my 2 examples-
Early 844 with 'fluffy' shield (also note the unusual joined up '4' in 24-not unique but much less seen-)


Later 844-1. They seem to have improved the printing at this stage-not so fluffy! ;-)

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I only just saw your posts Steve! Brilliant, thanks.

It's so weird that the 4 is different!
 
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Stunning Heuers in here. Just got me an 844 Monnin too. NOS in box. Loving it with the oyster bracelet. Just ordered a service kit as its been sitting for over 35+ years in a box lol.
 
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Stunning Heuers in here. Just got me an 844 Monnin too. NOS in box. Loving it with the oyster bracelet. Just ordered a service kit as its been sitting for over 35+ years in a box lol.

I'm sure you'll hear from others but it's all about the pics. You've got to upload some eye candy for people. I think 844 French Monnins were only made in 1979 so your watch would be closer to 40 years old
 
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I'm sure you'll hear from others but it's all about the pics. You've got to upload some eye candy for people. I think 844 French Monnins were only made in 1979 so your watch would be closer to 40 years old
I dont know if mine is a French Monnin but here you go:
 
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It’s look like you’ve got a Heuer 980.006. Same look as the Monnins but a later quartz model that Heuer started making after taking over the rights to the 844 divers from the G.Monnin company

here is an article about the 980.006
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/marking-time-with-a-humble-heuer

The hands are your watch are a little concerning to me as I think you should have a Mercedes hour hand and they don’t look lumed in the picture but I’m pretty sure they should be. It’s a good looking watch but if it was sold to you as NOS I would question the seller.
 
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It’s look like you’ve got a Heuer 980.006. Same look as the Monnins but a later quartz model that Heuer started making after taking over the rights to the 844 divers from the G.Monnin company

here is an article about the 980.006
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/marking-time-with-a-humble-heuer

The hands are your watch are a little concerning to me as I think you should have a Mercedes hour hand and they don’t look lumed in the picture but I’m pretty sure they should be. It’s a good looking watch but if it was sold to you as NOS I would question the seller.
it does have a 844.... on the case back. the hands were replaced but its literally new, ive ordered correct hands etc and will create new thread next week once its been done and serviced.
 
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it does have a 844.... on the case back. the hands were replaced but its literally new, ive ordered correct hands etc and will create new thread next week once its been done and serviced.
Some red flags here. Early on, there was some Monnin quartz made with 844 reference. When Heuer took production in 1980, the reference for a automatic with ETA was 844-1. The quartz as referenced above was reference 980.006. Do you have a movement pic and any pics of the case back (inside and back).

Personally, I don’t believe in NOS watches. There is only condition. Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor or scales 9 out of 10, etc.

Hands have most defiantly been replaced. Will be nice with correct mercedes style. Let’s get a feel for movement, and see if case back is correct.

Here is my Late 1979 Heuer 844 “Monnin transitional” with non 24hr dial- cal. FE4611-A. Condition - Excellent. These were the last of the Monnin’s and likely were a cut-over between Monnin and Heuer. These still have 844 model on back, FE4611-A, Made in France and “professionel” dial. Have seen Rotor etched G.Monnin and Heuer. If memory serves me, some case backs have Heuer-Leonidas etch.
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No red flags really, this is an 844.5309 as mentioned on the caseback. This and many other like these were bought from old dealer stock and most of them were destroyed due to battery leakage but will be refurbished soon with NOS movements. The case back even has the stickers still on the back. The watch is in MINT/EXCELLENT condition and I have box and papers. In the old days they didnt know the value of the hands here etc so when it was pulled out and the hands faded they discarded them and replaced them with these crappy hands, shame. t'll be soon back to original hands and full service next week. Im not worried at all.

Some red flags here. Early on, there was some Monnin quartz made with 844 reference. When Heuer took production in 1980, the reference for a automatic with ETA was 844-1. The quartz as referenced above was reference 980.006. Do you have a movement pic and any pics of the case back (inside and back).

Personally, I don’t believe in NOS watches. There is only condition. Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor or scales 9 out of 10, etc.

Hands have most defiantly been replaced. Will be nice with correct mercedes style. Let’s get a feel for movement, and see if case back is correct.

Here is my Late 1979 Heuer 844 “Monnin transitional” with non 24hr dial- cal. FE4611-A. Condition - Excellent. These were the last of the Monnin’s and likely were a cut-over between Monnin and Heuer. These still have 844 model on back, FE4611-A, Made in France and “professionel” dial. Have seen Rotor etched G.Monnin and Heuer. If memory serves me, some case backs have Heuer-Leonidas etch.
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No red flags really, this is an 844.5309 as mentioned on the caseback. This and many other like these were bought from old dealer stock and most of them were destroyed due to battery leakage but will be refurbished soon with NOS movements. The case back even has the stickers still on the back. The watch is in MINT/EXCELLENT condition and I have box and papers. In the old days they didnt know the value of the hands here etc so when it was pulled out and the hands faded they discarded them and replaced them with these crappy hands, shame. t'll be soon back to original hands and full service next week. Im not worried at all.

Can you post pics of the case back? Inside and out. Does it say Heuer-Leonidas inside the case back? Have not ever seen the reference you mention as a Heuer. Monnin did make 844-series watches for other brands, so wondering if caseback was replaced. Would also like to see movement. Perhaps a link to the listing? Only trying to help you assess what you have.
 
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Sure I’ll do that as soon as it goes to service and I remove that dried up case back protection sticker too. Don’t worry guys I know you are only trying to help and I appreciate it. I did not buy it online, I purchased it locally. Will start new thread when I have more of the pics you requested.
Can you post pics of the case back? Inside and out. Does it say Heuer-Leonidas inside the case back? Have not ever seen the reference you mention as a Heuer. Monnin did make 844-series watches for other brands, so wondering if caseback was replaced. Would also like to see movement. Perhaps a link to the listing? Only trying to help you assess what you have.
 
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Sure I’ll do that as soon as it goes to service and I remove that dried up case back protection sticker too. Don’t worry guys I know you are only trying to help and I appreciate it. I did not buy it online, I purchased it locally. Will start new thread when I have more of the pics you requested.
Most likely your case back is not original. 844 as mentioned is a Monnin reference number. Dial should be French Made. This is also a low serial number, which would lead one to believe early 1979, but would not match to your Swiss dial, early 1980’s. It’s also possible your dial & hands were replaced. As mentioned there was some early Monnin’s quartz with 844 reference, but I believe these all had 24hr red numbers on dial. Once we see your movement, we’ll know more.......
 
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So this seems a good place to finally ask about a watch sat in my drawer !

I’d argue that this is NOS as it came direct from old stock from a French manufacturer, but the condition isn’t quite perfect as there are some storage dinks on the case. There were two other NOS watches in the same lot, one Fresard and one G.Monnin. The movement in this one is an ETA 955.014. Any thoughts guys ?

 
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Most likely your case back is not original. 844 as mentioned is a Monnin reference number. Dial should be French Made. This is also a low serial number, which would lead one to believe early 1979, but would not match to your Swiss dial, early 1980’s. It’s also possible your dial & hands were replaced. As mentioned there was some early Monnin’s quartz with 844 reference, but I believe these all had 24hr red numbers on dial. Once we see your movement, we’ll know more.......

copy all. I’ll get a pic of the movement next week. Thank you.
 
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So this seems a good place to finally ask about a watch sat in my drawer !

I’d argue that this is NOS as it came direct from old stock from a French manufacturer, but the condition isn’t quite perfect as there are some storage dinks on the case. There were two other NOS watches in the same lot, one Fresard and one G.Monnin. The movement in this one is an ETA 955.014. Any thoughts guys ?

I’d suspect it’s put together. Bezel looks to be a Rolex style, and with a Monnin France dial would anticipate a FE Quartz movement. Some early Monnin Quarts had ESA movements such as ESA 9263 or 9362. Seems off that it would have ETA.
 
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I’d suspect it’s put together. Bezel looks to be a Rolex style, and with a Monnin France dial would anticipate a FE Quartz movement. Some early Monnin Quarts had ESA movements such as ESA 9263 or 9362. Seems off that it would have ETA.
Certainly could be. I follow the seller very well and it was the only example they sold over the years so maybe a modern put together from parts or an old “put together” with a view to produce it. A lot of what they sell is batches of 10+ and I speculated that they wouldn’t bother building just one up given how cheap it was relative to most of their other stuff. I’ll take some quick pics of the other two...
 
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Pics of its two friends... I haven’t seen either of these resold either. But then again I never really looked. I’ll try and figure out if they were production models.



Edit. Well that didn’t take long 😁

There’s another of the Monnin ones here (albeit with different hands), but the time that was listed matches very well the time I bought mine so I guess they both originated from the same seller originally. Actually I’ve just now bothered to read the description and definitely they’re from the same source. Maybe the different hands indicates it wasn’t production but built up from parts (either years ago or from when I bought them). It mentions in the link below it’s a seventies watch but I can believe it. Looks eighties or later.

https://www.mywatchmart.com/listing...in-quartz-diver-37mm-on-bracelet-rare-quartz/
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