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whats_shakin
·Lots to worry about, did you ever see the movement?
Curious though, what is the “lots to worry about” you’re saying besides the caseback?
Help with 166.024 Seamaster
Curious though, what is the “lots to worry about” you’re saying besides the caseback?
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kaplan
·Congrats and indeed
Latest comments are all hinting OP to just kill himself 😀
But hang in there OP, it's just a watch, it's not the end of the world if it's not all original
My analysis is, the auction was like an elephant inside a room, and probably everyone saw it, if you transparently shared the auction and your intent to buy, you could've gotten faster feedback and maybe even eliminate competition, your question didn't seem as serious as dropping $9K
I personally don't have any Seamaster 300 experience though, at this point I assume all of them are fake, sometimes you look at the listings of the seller and see many other common fakes, or rather, original movements with aftermarket parts, this one didn't seem like one of them
But a concrete observation, these type of watches usually pass the eBay authentication, as the movement itself is genuine, that makes the watch genuine, the authenticator has no practical way of asking Omega whether this is genuine
You can immediately apply for an Omega Archive Extract, and for a $9K watch, you definitely should, but even the digital version might not arrive fast enough
So if you're going this route, maybe ask for a member referral for a faster process and do it the day the watch arrives (you need serial photos, front back photos etc.)
Here is a reproduction by Colt of the pistol they produced for and during WWI. It is roll-marked but it was wartime, so they skipped the "grind it flat" step. You can (hopefully) see little ridges outlining the letters.
Latest comments are all hinting OP to just kill himself 😀
But hang in there OP, it's just a watch, it's not the end of the world if it's not all original
My analysis is, the auction was like an elephant inside a room, and probably everyone saw it, if you transparently shared the auction and your intent to buy, you could've gotten faster feedback and maybe even eliminate competition, your question didn't seem as serious as dropping $9K
I personally don't have any Seamaster 300 experience though, at this point I assume all of them are fake, sometimes you look at the listings of the seller and see many other common fakes, or rather, original movements with aftermarket parts, this one didn't seem like one of them
But a concrete observation, these type of watches usually pass the eBay authentication, as the movement itself is genuine, that makes the watch genuine, the authenticator has no practical way of asking Omega whether this is genuine
You can immediately apply for an Omega Archive Extract, and for a $9K watch, you definitely should, but even the digital version might not arrive fast enough
So if you're going this route, maybe ask for a member referral for a faster process and do it the day the watch arrives (you need serial photos, front back photos etc.)
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whats_shakin
·Congrats and indeed
Latest comments are all hinting OP to just kill himself 😀
But hang in there OP, it's just a watch, it's not the end of the world if it's not all original
My analysis is, the auction was like an elephant inside a room, and probably everyone saw it, if you transparently shared the auction and your intent to buy, you could've gotten faster feedback and maybe even eliminate competition, your question didn't seem as serious as dropping $9K
I personally don't have any Seamaster 300 experience though, at this point I assume all of them are fake, sometimes you look at the listings of the seller and see many other common fakes, or rather, original movements with aftermarket parts, this one didn't seem like one of them
But a concrete observation, these type of watches usually pass the eBay authentication, as the movement itself is genuine, that makes the watch genuine, the authenticator has no practical way of asking Omega whether this is genuine
You can immediately apply for an Omega Archive Extract, and for a $9K watch, you definitely should, but even the digital version might not arrive fast enough
So if you're going this route, maybe ask for a member referral for a faster process and do it the day the watch arrives
Hah, I haven't paid yet. And no stress over here whatsoever, just genuine curiosity.
The seller (probably inadvertently) did put a 30-day return option on the listing, and if I pay, it's on a credit card via Paypal. So I have absolutely no issues outlaying the cash, getting it tied up, if it ends up having issues or being a fake, I am 100% sure I will get my money back (first via return/ebay dispute, second via paypal, or final option, third via cc dispute). I also can get an extract if I desire (max turnaround time is 15 days) before that window ends, too.
That said, once it arrives (assuming it passes the ebay check, which I know isn't thorough), caseback is coming off for all to see, movement and caseback wise. Assuming it actually looks okay and the only issue is the service caseback, it will get shipped up to AnalogShift in NY for them to give it a legit check and service the movement (I like to service all vintage acquisitions, regardless).
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Davidt
·Caseback still looks perfectly fine to me.
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Davidt
·Do you have anymore pics or link to the auction
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whats_shakin
·Do you have anymore pics or link to the auction
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2753021122...k9Ym2_9TsK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Dan S
·it will get shipped up to AnalogShift in NY for them to give it a legit check and service the movement
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SkunkPrince
·So what's the deal with it then? It won't arrive for a couple weeks because of eBay's authentication service (and after that, there's still a 2 week return window).
I agree that it looks lasered or at least not-stamped. Looking online, it actually does look like a variant of a 166.0324 service caseback.
And if it's a 166.0324 service caseback, I don't particularly mind, but -- should I worry about the case itself potentially being service and not original, as well?
And, yes, you should be concerned that it is a service case, but that isn't a bad thing... you might have an entirely fake case.
My Seamaster 300 is a genuine "WatchCo", one of the last they produced. For your education, they assembled watches with all service parts and a movement they got from "somewhere". Mine was allegedly a new/old stock service movement.
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Caliber561
·This is what a 166.0324 caseback on a 166.0324 service case looks like:
And, yes, you should be concerned that it is a service case, but that isn't a bad thing... you might have an entirely fake case.
My Seamaster 300 is a genuine "WatchCo", one of the last they produced. For your education, they assembled watches with all service parts and a movement they got from "somewhere". Mine was allegedly a new/old stock service movement.
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SkunkPrince
·The type of the caseback is different from the OPs. Were there variations in the service caseback engraving?
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Scarecrow Boat
·And, yes, you should be concerned that it is a service case,
Here is a side profile of a service case provided by @Archer
There are observable differences.
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SkunkPrince
·Yep. The case on that watch is El Fako. Sorry. 🙁
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whats_shakin
·Yep. The case on that watch is El Fako. Sorry. 🙁
This auction:
Comparison HF (look at lug on right, not left which is overpolished):
This watch:
HF comp:
Front view:
HF:
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SkunkPrince
·Why do you say that?
Because experience. You believe what you want, not like I care. Shared my opinion, and I am not going to argue with you or anyone else because I am not getting paid to argue. 😀
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whats_shakin
·Because experience. You believe what you want, not like I care. Shared my opinion, and I am not going to argue with you or anyone else because I am not getting paid to argue. 😀
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SkunkPrince
·Sorry if I came off hostile in any way! I haven’t paid yet and it comes with a 30 day return window, so I am genuinely curious why you are saying that so I can learn.
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hoipolloi
·Worry not, young Jedi. You will learn. This watch is not worth your money. If you want one, we can help.
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ndgal
·Why do you say that? Service cases have noticeably different lugs/profiles than OG cases, so I'm not gonna call it a fake because the case doesn't match the service pic, that's to be expected. This also clearly has polished lugs. But that said, It looks pretty close to an OG HF case to me (note the comparison pics have some overpolished lugs).
This auction:
Comparison HF (look at lug on right, not left which is overpolished):
This watch:
HF comp:
Front view:
HF:
@whats_shakin
Your comparison here is inaccurate.
You are comparing the case shapes of two 165.024 from 1967. to a 166024 from late 1969.
(Both of them mine by the way. These are images from my original post. And both watches are 100% unpolished).
Two different references, two different case shapes.
You should be comparing the watch to this 166024
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southtexas
·Hah, I haven't paid yet. And no stress over here whatsoever, just genuine curiosity.
The seller (probably inadvertently) did put a 30-day return option on the listing, and if I pay, it's on a credit card via Paypal. So I have absolutely no issues outlaying the cash, getting it tied up, if it ends up having issues or being a fake, I am 100% sure I will get my money back (first via return/ebay dispute, second via paypal, or final option, third via cc dispute). I also can get an extract if I desire (max turnaround time is 15 days) before that window ends, too.
That said, once it arrives (assuming it passes the ebay check, which I know isn't thorough), caseback is coming off for all to see, movement and caseback wise. Assuming it actually looks okay and the only issue is the service caseback, it will get shipped up to AnalogShift in NY for them to give it a legit check and service the movement (I like to service all vintage acquisitions, regardless).
If it passes the eBay authenticator (which I figure is probably not a large task), can you still successfully claim fake or not as described? If yes, what’s the purpose of the authenticator?
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redpcar
·Funny that nobody has mentioned the Tritium. Funny that ebay allows this to ship ☕
Funny that I say funny twice 😀
Funny that I say funny twice 😀
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