Has Rolex ever commented on the ridiculousness of ADs?

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As you probably know, most ADs have no stock, and if you want them to source and sell you a Rolex, you either have to bribe them or indirectly bribe them (via commission) by buying a few watches you probably don't want.

Add to this, most ADs are rude and arrogant, which makes no sense, considering they're sales assistants who work for commission.

It seems this has been going on for years. Why does Rolex accept this? It damages their brand and is sending 10,000s of people every year into their competitors arms.

Has Rolex ever commented on the situation?
 
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Rolex have created this situation.

So you think they want:

(1) create artificial scarcity to increase the perceived value of their product

(2) have rude and arrogant sales people so you feel you're possibly not good enough to own a new Rolex, so you'll jump through hoops to prove yourself

(3) make the situation so ridiculously exclusive that the prestige of owning a new Rolex is simply the fact they considered you good enough to be allowed own one

If so, it's like a cult attracting cult member wannabes. What a garbage brand.
 
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you either have to bribe them or indirectly bribe them (via commission) by buying a few watches you probably don't want.
most ADs are rude and arrogant, which makes no sense,

Neither.
Noone in my watch circle experience what you described.


it's like a cult attracting cult member wannabes. What a garbage brand.

Do you have anything specific/personal about your Rolex experience you’d like to share? Sounded like you regurgitate a ton of bullshit and reposted them here. Let’s not make Omega Forum the Rolex bashing forum.
 
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Neither.
Noone in my watch circle experience what you described.

Do you have anything specific/personal about your Rolex experience you’d like to share? Sounded like you regurgitate a ton of bullshit and reposted them here. Let’s not make Omega Forum the Rolex bashing forum.

The Rolex AD experience (negative) is well know and well documented.

Simply google rolex negative ad experience and you'll find your opinion is the minority one.

Also, I should be allowed make this post. Please don't try to shut it down because you don't like it. That's not very grown up.
 
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It's hard to argue with success. If you measure that in terms of brand awareness, reputation and value retention, Rolex is very successful. Objectively speaking, Rolex watches aren't anything special among Swiss luxury watches..They aren't any better than the watches made by Omega and Rolex has never been a high horology brand. As for the scarcity of Rolex product, there are two ways to see that. One view is that it is deliberate and that Rolex intentionally limits production as part of its marketing strategy. Some would view that as brilliant, others would find it offensive. An alternative view is that Rolex truly can't keep up with demand. If you believe that, then you would have to conclude that a company that has been around since 1905 can't figure out how to meet the demand for its product -- which doesn't paint a very flattering picture about the competency of its management. I'm not sure that it's fair to blame Rolex for what you perceive as the arrogance of its ADs. What I do know is that there are many manufacturers of Swiss luxury watches, many of whom make watches that are objectively better than Rolex, and that you as the consumer have the luxury of choice. If you don't like Rolex's sales practices, it's easy to go elsewhere.
 
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If you don't like Rolex's sales practices, it's easy to go elsewhere.

Sure, that's exactly what I do, but what I'm asking is has Rolex commented on this? It seems weird that they'd allow so many potential and existing customers have such bad experiences with their distributers. Maybe there is a level of incompetence at their executive level.
 
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Sure, that's exactly what I do, but what I'm asking is has Rolex commented on this? It seems weird that they'd allow so many potential and existing customers have such bad experiences with their distributers. Maybe there is a level of incompetence at their executive level.
To my knowledge, Rolex has no "official" position about the situation that you describe, but stop and think about it for a second. Do you really think that ANY company is going to publicly acknowledge that the personnel at its authorized dealers are "arrogant" and are requiring consumers to buy watches that they don't want so that they can get the watches that they do want? That's like the American auto industry of the 1970's issuing a press release saying "Yeah, we know that we build shitty cars compared to the Japanese and we don't care."
 
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My wife has a Rolex and I have a few omegas and a Tudor.if I could buy a no date submariner I would have one of those also.to me having an expensive boutique without any items to sell a ridiculous situation.the staff must be bored out of their heads as well has embarrassed.surely this is bad for Rolex.it’s like a pub with no beer!
 
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My wife has a Rolex and I have a few omegas and a Tudor.if I could buy a no date submariner I would have one of those also.to me having an expensive boutique without any items to sell a ridiculous situation.the staff must be bored out of their heads as well has embarrassed.surely this is bad for Rolex.it’s like a pub with no beer!

We'll consider selling you a beer... maybe... after you've had a cider, alcopop, malibu and this bag of chocolate liquors...
 
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They did comment: https://news.yahoo.com/why-the-rolex-watch-shortage-is-a-perfect-storm-144250922.html
"The scarcity of our products is not a strategy on our part. Our current production cannot meet the existing demand in an exhaustive way, at least not without reducing the quality of our watches - something we refuse to do as the quality of our products must never be compromised. This level of excellence requires time, and as we have always done, we will continue to take the necessary time to ensure that all our watches not only comply with our standards of excellence, but also meet the expectations of our customers in terms of quality, reliability and robustness. Rolex does not compromise on what it takes to produce exceptional watches.

All Rolex watches are developed and produced in-house at our four sites in Switzerland. They are assembled by hand, with extreme care, to meet the brand's unique and high-quality standards of quality, performance and aesthetics. Understandably, this naturally restricts our production capacities - which we continue to increase as much as possible and always according to our quality criteria.

Finally, it should be noted that Rolex watches are available exclusively from official retailers, who independently manage the allocation of watches to customers."
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Meanwhile, Patek's take on this issue was much more straightforward: https://swisswatches-magazine.com/b...nt-thierry-stern-and-wempe-ceo-kim-eva-wempe/
Thierry Stern: "I’ve closed a lot of doors in the last few years. Not because I felt like it - because I knew I wouldn’t have enough pieces. I can’t just increase my production like that. And I don’t want to, to be honest. So, unfortunately, the only way to help the retailers was to close some of them to help the others have a few more watches. That was a very difficult decision for us as well. Also, with a location like this [Wempe], you have to make a certain amount of revenue. As you can see, Wempe has highly professional employees who should also earn a good salary and I have always fought to keep the profit margin good for retailers. I don’t want to be like some groups who are maybe a bit tougher and whose profit margin is maybe too low at the moment. I’m not greedy in that regard. I think it’s a fair relationship that we’re going to have. I make money. Retailers have to make money, and the customer also wants to be happy. My job is also to protect the value of the watch that customers buy."
Is that the reason why you keep taking products out of the range?

Thierry Stern: "Yes, that is exactly the reason why we sometimes take references out of the program. The best example is certainly the Nautilus, but I’ve done it with many others. Why? Because I know that Patek Philippe has to constantly evolve. I don’t want to be a hero model brand. Secondly, it’s because that’s how the value of our customers’ collections will increase. I think it’s part of my job to help them do that. It’s as simple as that."
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My personal opinion is that Rolex has been taking a page off Patek's playbook, they're just not as transparent about it.
However: https://robbreport.com/style/watch-collector/rolex-new-temporary-factories-1234817627/
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They did comment: https://news.yahoo.com/why-the-rolex-watch-shortage-is-a-perfect-storm-144250922.html
"The scarcity of our products is not a strategy on our part. Our current production cannot meet the existing demand in an exhaustive way, at least not without reducing the quality of our watches - something we refuse to do as the quality of our products must never be compromised. This level of excellence requires time, and as we have always done, we will continue to take the necessary time to ensure that all our watches not only comply with our standards of excellence, but also meet the expectations of our customers in terms of quality, reliability and robustness. Rolex does not compromise on what it takes to produce exceptional watches.

All Rolex watches are developed and produced in-house at our four sites in Switzerland. They are assembled by hand, with extreme care, to meet the brand's unique and high-quality standards of quality, performance and aesthetics. Understandably, this naturally restricts our production capacities - which we continue to increase as much as possible and always according to our quality criteria.

Finally, it should be noted that Rolex watches are available exclusively from official retailers, who independently manage the allocation of watches to customers."
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Meanwhile, Patek's take on this issue was much more straightforward: https://swisswatches-magazine.com/b...nt-thierry-stern-and-wempe-ceo-kim-eva-wempe/
Thierry Stern: "I’ve closed a lot of doors in the last few years. Not because I felt like it - because I knew I wouldn’t have enough pieces. I can’t just increase my production like that. And I don’t want to, to be honest. So, unfortunately, the only way to help the retailers was to close some of them to help the others have a few more watches. That was a very difficult decision for us as well. Also, with a location like this [Wempe], you have to make a certain amount of revenue. As you can see, Wempe has highly professional employees who should also earn a good salary and I have always fought to keep the profit margin good for retailers. I don’t want to be like some groups who are maybe a bit tougher and whose profit margin is maybe too low at the moment. I’m not greedy in that regard. I think it’s a fair relationship that we’re going to have. I make money. Retailers have to make money, and the customer also wants to be happy. My job is also to protect the value of the watch that customers buy."
Is that the reason why you keep taking products out of the range?

Thierry Stern: "Yes, that is exactly the reason why we sometimes take references out of the program. The best example is certainly the Nautilus, but I’ve done it with many others. Why? Because I know that Patek Philippe has to constantly evolve. I don’t want to be a hero model brand. Secondly, it’s because that’s how the value of our customers’ collections will increase. I think it’s part of my job to help them do that. It’s as simple as that."
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My personal opinion is that Rolex has been taking a page off Patek's playbook, they're just not as transparent about it.
It may well be that Rolex is taking a page from Patek’s playbook, but in terms of their watches Rolex is NOT Patek - or AP, VC or JLC for that matter - and they’re never going to be.
 
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It may well be that Rolex is taking a page from Patek’s playbook, but in terms of their watches Rolex is NOT Patek - or AP, VC or JLC for that matter - and they’re never going to be.
Indeed. They're far from being Patek or any of the higher end brands. But I think they're certainly trying to go upmarket, with all the marketing jargons in their responses above (assembled by hand they said?). Tudor has been built to fill the other market.

The part of the playbook that I think some 'luxury' brands have finally learnt is that some products are best used as rewards to loyal customers. They want their main product lines to be available, but keep the harder to get items as rewards to their loyal customers.

Daytona? 'Pepsi' GMT? Speedy 321? Snoopy 50th? Hermes Birkin? Ferrari?
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-ne...part-of-the-process-loyal-owners-get-priority
“For something that is special and good, people are willing to wait,” Ferrari Australia president Jan Voss told CarExpert at the Australian Grand Prix. “I suggest people make the waiting time a little sweeter by picking up a pre-owned Ferrari while they wait and either trade it back or hold on to it by the time the new car comes around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...d-sent-ordinary-women-ask-Hermes-handbag.html
"This exclusivity and the subsequent mystique that surrounds the Birkin and Kelly has proved to be a phenomenally successful marketing trick."
 
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I have direct experience of this, I won't bore everyone with details, but after being pissed on my wife and I decided a change of plan was needed
We only buy vintage full stop, and it doesn't include rolex.
 
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Indeed. They're far from being Patek or any of the higher end brands. But I think they're certainly trying to go upmarket, with all the marketing jargons in their responses above (assembled by hand they said?). Tudor has been built to fill the other market.

The part of the playbook that I think some 'luxury' brands have finally learnt is that some products are best used as rewards to loyal customers. They want their main product lines to be available, but keep the harder to get items as rewards to their loyal customers.

Daytona? 'Pepsi' GMT? Speedy 321? Snoopy 50th? Hermes Birkin? Ferrari?
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-ne...part-of-the-process-loyal-owners-get-priority
“For something that is special and good, people are willing to wait,” Ferrari Australia president Jan Voss told CarExpert at the Australian Grand Prix. “I suggest people make the waiting time a little sweeter by picking up a pre-owned Ferrari while they wait and either trade it back or hold on to it by the time the new car comes around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...d-sent-ordinary-women-ask-Hermes-handbag.html
"This exclusivity and the subsequent mystique that surrounds the Birkin and Kelly has proved to be a phenomenally successful marketing trick."
I generally agree with that assessment, but Rolex seems to want to convey the impression that its enitre annual production of watches - estimated to be somewhere between 850,000 to 1,000,000 units - is made by hand (by Swiss elves, no doubt, as part of the mystique). There's a big difference between made by hand and assembled by hand (credit to Rolex for at least using the word "assembled" in its statement). Machinery, albeit very sophisticated machinery, is used in the production process at Rolex just like so many other luxury Swiss watch manufacturers.
 
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I have direct experience of this, I won't bore everyone with details, but after being pissed on my wife and I decided a change of plan was needed
We only buy vintage full stop, and it doesn't include rolex.

Pissed on? That’s taking rude and arrogant to a whole new level.
 
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I generally agree with that assessment, but Rolex seems to want to convey the impression that its enitre annual production of watches - estimated to be somewhere between 850,000 to 1,000,000 units - is made by hand (by Swiss elves, no doubt, as part of the mystique). There's a big difference between made by hand and assembled by hand (credit to Rolex for at least using the word "assembled" in its statement). Machinery, albeit very sophisticated machinery, is used in the production process at Rolex just like so many other luxury Swiss watch manufacturers.
True that. I think I've read replies on the other forums on how some have drank the koolaid, thinking Rolex is handmade that's why it's hard to produce.
At this point I'd be more impressed if a brand comes up with watches 100% made by precise machineries instead. 100% untouched by humans! 😜 grand seiko one day perhaps.
 
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Pissed on? That’s taking rude and arrogant to a whole new level.
Metaphorically speaking
It sort of went, I think other brands would suit you and your wife better. Or words to that effect.
 
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True that. I think I've read replies on the other forums on how some have drank the koolaid, thinking Rolex is handmade that's why it's hard to produce.
At this point I'd be more impressed if a brand comes up with watches 100% made by precise machineries instead. 100% untouched by humans! 😜 grand seiko one day perhaps.

Aren't the mechanical Swatch watches made entirely by machines? I may be mis-remembering...
 
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Sure, that's exactly what I do, but what I'm asking is has Rolex commented on this? It seems weird that they'd allow so many potential and existing customers have such bad experiences with their distributers. Maybe there is a level of incompetence at their executive level.

Here's my experience with a Rolex AD. November, 2018, walked into an AD not far from where I live (1st time btw), told the SA I was interested in the Milgauss Z-Blue. He took my information and called me the following month. I still have the Milgauss. In July of 2022, walked back into the same AD, asked for the new Sub 124060. The SA, different from the 1st, took my information and called me in January of this year with the Sub.

Maybe I'm just lucky.