Hard choice: Speedmaster 60th LE or Speedmaster Speedy Tuesday LE?

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Let's not get caught up in semantics. There is more than just a passing resemblance.

Speedy Tuesday is a great looking watch, but one shouldn't criticize Speedmaster 60th as a "pale imitation" without taking the same stance on the Tuesday. Both watches draw significant inspiration from classic designs that are beloved by the collector community.
Sure it's black and white, but a reverse panda dial wouldn't exactly be a copy wouldn't it? Also, this isn't a Newman to be honest
 
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Let's not get caught up in semantics. There is more than just a passing resemblance.

Speedy Tuesday is a great looking watch, but one shouldn't criticize Speedmaster 60th as a "pale imitation" without taking the same stance on the Tuesday. Both watches draw significant inspiration from classic designs that are beloved by the collector community.
That's not a Paul Newman... a Newman has an exotic aka Art Deco dial.
Look at the subdials. Those squares are what makes a Newman with the outer track. A Newman can be Panda or reverse Panda.


Rolex was not the first reverse Panda either. If anything the first Daytonas are copies of the Speedmaster.

1963 the first Daytona


Sure most where pandas but look at it. Clone of the Speedmaster. Rolex went Panda and not all black so it didn't look exactly like a speedy.
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That's not a Paul Newman... a Newman has an exotic aka Art Deco dial.

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Not the Newman, just the standard 6263 reverse panda Daytona, one of the most iconic watches that Rolex has ever released.

That's the inspiration for the Speedy Tuesday. Nothing wrong with that, of course, it was a look that was missing in the couple dozen Speedmaster derivative special editions. But to ignore that the Speedy Tuesday owes this desirable Daytona a nod of thanks is silly.
 
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Without a doubt id keep the ST . It's all a LE should be: unique, special, lilmited and not gimicky.

Can't say the same about the 60th
 
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The appeal of reverse panda is in its intrinsic design and not because of Daytona. I believe you got the cause and effect the opposite way.
 
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Not the Newman, just the standard 6263 reverse panda Daytona, one of the most iconic watches that Rolex has ever released.

That's the inspiration for the Speedy Tuesday. Nothing wrong with that, of course, it was a look that was missing in the couple dozen Speedmaster derivative special editions. But to ignore that the Speedy Tuesday owes this desirable Daytona a nod of thanks is silly.
Actually no. Rolex did not invent the reverse Panda. Rolex did not invent the external tach bezel either, Omega did. The defining aspects of the Daytona are the screw down pushers and half lume thin baton hands on a Chrono and the associated lack of legibility. Those are the features of every Daytona.

Many Chrono watches have reverse Panda's and at least 3 speedmasters are directly inspired by the Newman dials, and in the case of one of the Schumacher speedies unabashedly so.

If you drill down almost every aspect of a watch is shared with other watches. Hell the Speedy Pro's dial was not even on that watch first but was on another brand in about 55 I think. Seiko divers are iconic due to their circle hour markers... I wonder where they got that idea?

The point at least to me what is the defining aspect of the watxhbthat is not shared anywhere else. If they had an inner ring on a sub dial well that is pretty hard core Daytona.

In the end we are both right it just depends on how you see things. Are fluted Bezels a Rolex thing? Well they are now... Broad arrow hands? omega.
 
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Hell the Speedy Pro's dial was not even on that watch first but was on another brand in about 55 I think.
Rodania Geometer

 
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Let's not get caught up in semantics. There is more than just a passing resemblance.

Speedy Tuesday is a great looking watch, but one shouldn't criticize Speedmaster 60th as a "pale imitation" without taking the same stance on the Tuesday. Both watches draw significant inspiration from classic designs that are beloved by the collector community.
Tjere are many panda chrono other than the Daytona. It is not an original. From zenith to Heuer and on and on. So you're right, but I really don't think the Daytona is inspiration to the speedy.
 
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Actually no. Rolex did not invent the reverse Panda. Rolex did not invent the external tach bezel either, Omega did. The defining aspects of the Daytona are the screw down pushers and half lume thin baton hands on a Chrono and the associated lack of legibility. Those are the features of every Daytona.

In the end we are both right it just depends on how you see things. Are fluted Bezels a Rolex thing? Well they are now... Broad arrow hands? omega.

I did not say that Rolex invented the reverse panda. What I said is that one of the most iconic watches from one of the most iconic watchmakers is a reverse panda and it is revered and admired by thousands of watch fans. Since watch fans were either directly or indirectly involved in the design of the Speedy Tuesday, it stands to reason that they were, at least in part, inspired by the Daytona.

Again, I admire both the Tuesday and the 60, what great watches, what a great year for Omega and watch collectors. But when asked which watch is more unique and less of a "pale imitator", I have to go with the 60. The 60 is a faithful reproduction of the very first Speedmaster. It's the CK2915 reborn. It's not imitating the 2915, it is the 2915. The Tuesday is either another in a long line of recolored Speedmasters or a homage to the Daytona or a bit of both. They're great watches, we are living the Omega dream right now, nothing but high-fives and high praise all around. Can't wait until my 60 is on my wrist, can't wait to see photos of the Tuesday's, it's going to be a great 2017.
 
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20+ years or more there wasn't even a Paul Newman Daytona. It was just a Daytona until someone wanted to sell one and called it what it's known as now.

The Heuer Manaco was more popular in the 70s and 80s
 
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Umm, Breitling Navitimer 806 was introduced in 1952 (or 1954 depending on who you believe) and progressively changed to a reverse panda dial from as early as 1959.

 
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The Tuesday is either another in a long line of recolored Speedmasters or a homage to the Daytona or a bit of both. .

I do not agree with this statement. Speedy ST is not taking after Daytona in any sense except for the general element of reverse panda design. You should read up on the origins of Speedy ST before passing such a unfair opinion.
 
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btw @abrahamovic please don't use all caps like that in a thread title, I know you do it to make your thread stand out and get more attention, but thats precisely why its not appropriate to do.
sorry. I realised when I saw it. it is ugly, hard to read. I just wanted to make some highliht. wont do it again, my fault, my apology. it was first post. didnt mean to do harm.
 
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Take both, as a matter of quotation you are @abrahamovic ain't you?
lol. good one. but seriously. that was my first nickname i created 20 years ago when being introduced to chat. And somehow it stood with me. When I come to any service and it asks for a name, this is what comes first to my mind. just sentiment.
 
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Without a doubt id keep the ST . It's all a LE should be: unique, special, lilmited and not gimicky.

Can't say the same about the 60th

Wait....

So the watch that is a thoroughly accurate recreation of an actual production watch beloved by thousands and considered to be the most rare and desirable Omega ever created is "gimicky"?

And the watch that is 100% what has been shipping for 30 years with the exception of a paint job and a fan forum nickname isn't a "gimmick"?

Come now. There is nothing unique and special about the Tuesday, if it weren't for it's "designed for the fans" marketing connecting the timepiece to this specific audience it would have simply been yet another colored dial on a watch that's seen it all, from pictures of Mars to drawings of Snoopy, quite gimmicky. The 60, different story, this watch was painstakingly designed from the ground-up, components such as the case, dial, and bracelet were tooled, it's truly a special edition, not a paint job and a nickname.

Both watches are beautiful, it's an exciting Spring for Speedmaster fans, no need to put down either model, but let's be objective here.
 
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So the watch that is a thoroughly accurate recreation of an actual production watch beloved by thousands and considered to be the most rare and desirable Omega ever created is "gimicky"?
Yes, because it recreates an actual production instead of being a new production of an old classic, and it's design half way to "appear" like the old at a cosmetic level. It's the difference between a palace room, and a movie set of a palace room. Both look great on camera, but one of them replicates the other.

And no, the ST is not a gimmik (imo) becaise even though as you state it is build to please a target audience it actually carries some unique design features in a specific combination that is not trying to be anything but itself. You may like it or not, but it's just the speedy Tuesday, not a watch made to look like the ST was if it was issued 60 years ago but with the aged lume etc etc.

It's just my opinion, I don't plan of getting either as there are other models I like better. And on the new editions the SM 300 is the one I like the best, followed by the railmaster. The speedy is too busy and confused between the shine, the lume, the compreseed chrono to fit it's size...It's just confused. If they are to replicate the lume they could have dulled the hand and marker shine a little as well and brush the case so it all looks "aged" and balanced.

Same can be said for the other 2 but having no subdials it bothers me less, although I suspect the sm300 is my favorite because the bezel grounds the dial and takes away some shine.

I agree both are beautiful, I am not putting one down, Im not a critic for the New York Times...I am just stating my opinion, as you are staying yours.
 
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Yes, because it recreates an actual production instead of being a new production of an old classic, and it's design half way to "appear" like the old at a cosmetic level. It's the difference between a palace room, and a movie set of a palace room. Both look great on camera, but one of them replicates the other.

And no, the ST is not a gimmik (imo) becaise even though as you state it is build to please a target audience it actually carries some unique design features in a specific combination that is not trying to be anything but itself. You may like it or not, but it's just the speedy Tuesday, not a watch made to look like the ST was if it was issued 60 years ago but with the aged lume etc etc.

I agree both are beautiful, I am not putting one down, Im not a critic for the New York Times...I am just stating my opinion, as you are staying yours.

First off, so I'm not misunderstood, let me state publicly that I like the Speedy Tuesday and the only reason I'm even being remotely critical is because of your opinion of the 60 which makes no sense to me. With that asterisk out of the way...

Let us perhaps agree that both watches are "gimmicks" since that's the word that's causing angst. Here's the definition:

gim·mick ˈɡimik/ noun

a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
synonyms: publicity stunt, contrivance, scheme, stratagem, ploy;

"the trivia contest was a gimmick to sell more newspapers"

So, since Omega's objective is to sell more Speedmasters and both the ST via its colors and the 60 via its nostalgia are "intended to attract attention, publicity, or business" to an otherwise old/tired wristwatch let us agree that both are gimmicks but both look great.
 
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If your talking as you have given us the Dictionary meaning for Gimmick

Calling the Daytona a Paul Newman is the biggest gimmick in this thread......

Just saying 😗