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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...At least 2 people think it's an OK deal even if it needs service, providing it's a 145.022-74 or -76 and the serial number is in range.
Guidance for a Speedmaster 145.022 purchase
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TexOmega
·As Al said, an easy fix, I wouldn't worry about that, but would want to see the movement. The jeweler probably has a watchmaker who actually does the servicing and really doesn't know what you're concerned about.
If you plan on a long relationship with it, you'll forget this early annoyance soon enough.
Dial and hands look great, sharp case, too.
If you plan on a long relationship with it, you'll forget this early annoyance soon enough.
Dial and hands look great, sharp case, too.
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RallyDiverOnly
·Most I would risk without seeing inside is $3200. Honestly he won't get $3500. I think a fair price is $3000 considering the unreliable info.
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melanieux
·I sold an old car once.. the first buyer came by and offered me $500 and similar advice (I wouldn't get more than that for it, for sure).. a few months later someone left a note on the window asking if it was for sale. I responded, and sold it for $3500.
The guy who let the note was the owner of a local auto parts store who loved old cars.. he gave me the cash and towed the car away the next afternoon.
Proving again.. it's worth what someone will pay. So you never know! 😀
The guy who let the note was the owner of a local auto parts store who loved old cars.. he gave me the cash and towed the car away the next afternoon.
Proving again.. it's worth what someone will pay. So you never know! 😀
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BenBagbag
·😀Hey guys,
Thanks for all the help. Honestly, I'm a bit over my head with this watch. I was very interested when it was supposedly in like-new condition and when I thought it was well serviced.
I would be happy to pay forward all the help I have received on the forum. If anyone is in the NYC area and wants his contact info, feel free to PM me. I'd love to see the watch go to a forum member who is interested.
Thanks for all the help. Honestly, I'm a bit over my head with this watch. I was very interested when it was supposedly in like-new condition and when I thought it was well serviced.
I would be happy to pay forward all the help I have received on the forum. If anyone is in the NYC area and wants his contact info, feel free to PM me. I'd love to see the watch go to a forum member who is interested.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Most I would risk without seeing inside is $3200. Honestly he won't get $3500. I think a fair price is $3000 considering the unreliable info.
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melanieux
·Haha..
It was a 1962 Mercury Comet S-22 Convertible!
Black with red leather seats.
And the original tubed radio. 😀
super fun ride!
It was a 1962 Mercury Comet S-22 Convertible!
Black with red leather seats.
And the original tubed radio. 😀
super fun ride!
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BenBagbag
·I've been pretty patient... Did as much as I could to learn up on Speedy's since starting this thread and went for it last week.
Pleasant surprise that it is a -71. ilovemyspeedmaster dates this one to April 1971 (313160XX). Lume is a very intact cream/minty color and glows strong after a few seconds of a flashlight. The original owner, a retired commercial pilot, told me he wore it on and off for just a couple of years while he was flying and it has been sitting in a drawer since.
How did I do?
Finally, a wrist shot.
Pleasant surprise that it is a -71. ilovemyspeedmaster dates this one to April 1971 (313160XX). Lume is a very intact cream/minty color and glows strong after a few seconds of a flashlight. The original owner, a retired commercial pilot, told me he wore it on and off for just a couple of years while he was flying and it has been sitting in a drawer since.
How did I do?
Finally, a wrist shot.
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·Did the original owner tell you when he had the dial replaced for a service item? A -71 should have a step dial and yours doesn't...
http://speedmaster101.com/145-022/145-022-71-74-76-78/
http://speedmaster101.com/145-022/145-022-71-74-76-78/
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mr_yossarian
·Did the original owner tell you when he had the dial replaced for a service item? A -71 should have a step dial and yours doesn't...
http://speedmaster101.com/145-022/145-022-71-74-76-78/
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...71's are stepped.
So good news bad news...
Killer DNN bezel and the somewhat uncommon 74-early 76 dial. Case is awesome.
It looks like it got a service in 76 or late 1977 at the latest.
It's a killer piece. And at 3k you didn't do bad. Esp with that case. If you buy a correct dial and equally patina hands this set is pretty much an even trade.
Also do I spy a metal brake? I thought that would have been replaced at service?
So good news bad news...
Killer DNN bezel and the somewhat uncommon 74-early 76 dial. Case is awesome.
It looks like it got a service in 76 or late 1977 at the latest.
It's a killer piece. And at 3k you didn't do bad. Esp with that case. If you buy a correct dial and equally patina hands this set is pretty much an even trade.
Also do I spy a metal brake? I thought that would have been replaced at service?
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BenBagbag
·Hey guys,
Thanks for the insight. I'm trying to piece together what happened. The original owner is convinced he bought it new in 1978 from 47th street in NYC, the diamond district. What happened in the few years between? Perhaps it got a new dial there if it sat around too long?
Other possibility: He had it serviced in 2010 by an independent jewelry store. I have the papers from his jeweler. Not sure why the dial would have been swapped out then. I also doubt this would have happened because they didn't specialize or appreciate vintage and wouldn't have a clue what dial to replace it with - meaning they probably wouldn't have gotten a close-to-period-correct dial.
I bought the seller. A sweet man who I very much believe to be honest.
Thank you for the kind words @Foo2rama, I think it's a killer piece too.
Thanks for the insight. I'm trying to piece together what happened. The original owner is convinced he bought it new in 1978 from 47th street in NYC, the diamond district. What happened in the few years between? Perhaps it got a new dial there if it sat around too long?
Other possibility: He had it serviced in 2010 by an independent jewelry store. I have the papers from his jeweler. Not sure why the dial would have been swapped out then. I also doubt this would have happened because they didn't specialize or appreciate vintage and wouldn't have a clue what dial to replace it with - meaning they probably wouldn't have gotten a close-to-period-correct dial.
I bought the seller. A sweet man who I very much believe to be honest.
Thank you for the kind words @Foo2rama, I think it's a killer piece too.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerAlso do I spy a metal brake? I thought that would have been replaced at service?
Omega does not replace metal brakes with plastic brakes in these watches at service. There's no reason to since the metal brake works just the same as the plastic one does. They still use the metal one in the 1863 with the display back...
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BenBagbag
·Created a WTB thread for feelers for a stepped dial. What are the chances someone wants to do a trade? Truth is, the dial is in such great condition that while I mind that it isn't period correct it's certainly not an eye-sore either...
https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-stepped-dial-145-022-71.64736/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-stepped-dial-145-022-71.64736/
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaSeller was probably telling the truth. Problem is where he bought it. 47th Street in NYC, THE STREET for diamonds and other types of jewelry, is not (and never was) the goto place for a trusting, unknowledgeable buyer. Frankenstein Street if you aren't careful.
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BenBagbag
·Yeah that's why I wrote what place he got it from. Again, I feel lucky to have gotten a piece I otherwise believe to be accurate as everything else lines up, and the dial it does have is in fabulous condition.
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·It's a tricky one, this - if the case back and serial number tallied to 74, you'd have a great, correct watch with a back story. Keep it forever and enjoy it, or if you ever wanted to sell it, then you'd be in good shape.
As it stands, you've got a lovely watch with many strong attributes - and if you keep it and enjoy it then you'll be doing well. But if you want to sell it in the next couple of years, the unexplained nature of why it's got the wrong dial might hurt your ability to get a price commensurate with its condition.
I'd say the chances of you getting a step dial of equivalent condition to replace the current one are going to be relatively slim, unless you spend a lot of money on it. That said, a good step dial with nicely yellowing lume is a lovely thing. Depends what you want from the watch...
As it stands, you've got a lovely watch with many strong attributes - and if you keep it and enjoy it then you'll be doing well. But if you want to sell it in the next couple of years, the unexplained nature of why it's got the wrong dial might hurt your ability to get a price commensurate with its condition.
I'd say the chances of you getting a step dial of equivalent condition to replace the current one are going to be relatively slim, unless you spend a lot of money on it. That said, a good step dial with nicely yellowing lume is a lovely thing. Depends what you want from the watch...
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BenBagbag
·
Figured I'd post some very clear pictures with harsh light to accentuate the dial...
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·I think it looks like your watch has a dial that should have been on a -74 - eg (from Speedmaster101)
... and has a similar tell-tale minty green lume to a -74 that I sold earlier this year:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/spe...ed-1171-633-bracelet-£2800.59952/#post-750931
... so it's quite possible that it went for a service early in its life and the dial was replaced but the hands were not.
Compare to the stepped dial and yellowy lume on my -71, also courtesy of Mr @Spacefruit :
... and has a similar tell-tale minty green lume to a -74 that I sold earlier this year:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/spe...ed-1171-633-bracelet-£2800.59952/#post-750931
... so it's quite possible that it went for a service early in its life and the dial was replaced but the hands were not.
Compare to the stepped dial and yellowy lume on my -71, also courtesy of Mr @Spacefruit :
