Grandpa his Omega Geneve (1970)

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So it looks like my Omega is a franken?

I just wanted to state explicitly that I am not saying the watch is a franken. I tried to be clear in my previous comments, and I'm sorry that I was not able to communicate effectively.
 
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That is a US import code. Not an export code. It would be on movements imported into the US, whether they were already cased or not.

Ah. Got it. So that (and OXW) are only for the US.
 
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I just wanted to state explicitly that I am not saying the watch is a franken. I tried to be clear in my previous comments, and I'm sorry that I was not able to communicate effectively.
No thanks a lot! Your comment was very clear. It was my own conclusion that it might be a franken as of the missing references en different case.. Cant find something else. Also with the replaced crown. 😀
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@altijdoptijd I’ve been on his journey, it’s difficult to come to terms with (especially if you’re a bit ocd) but sometimes you just can’t know for sure! It’s only collectors 50+ years later that are obsessing about reference numbers. Your watch is a beautiful thing and sounds like your grandad loved wearing it 🥰
 
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After leaving this little search alone for a while and having worn the watch with love, I've just come across a reference number with the exact same dial. It's Ref. 135.041.

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Omega database: https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-omega-geneve-omega-md-135-0041

When I compare this, it matches perfectly except for the case.

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The watch of my grandfather, as shown in the image, seems to be leading me to a potential 'Franken' or a watch with a swapped case with all the information in this topic before. The 601 movement is correct, and the dial now seems to be linked to Ref. 135.041.

The Ref. 135.041 is listed in the Omega database without an image. From what I gathered on the Omega forum, around 1968, not every change resulted in a different reference number. It's possible that there are other reference numbers with the same dial and a matching case. The case of mine is slightly more pointed and also made of 18k gold.

Therefore, I'm returning to Ref. 131.041:



Omega Database: https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-omega-geneve-omega-ba-131-0041

The 131.041 seems to be exactly the watch. The interesting thing is that every Google search for a 131.041 shows a slightly different dial: the 12-hour indication has 2 dashes. So, that doesn't match the database, but it does match my watch.

Phew. If anyone has knowledge or is willing to help with the search, that would be great! Would love to have clear what model it is. Will never sell this watch.
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The Omega is serviced and got a new strap just as for a Onsa watch my Grandpa left me too.

Some Geneve experts who wants to look with me om the last post?

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At this time most references were available with a wide variety of dials. I see no reason to suspect the dial on your watch has been changed.
 
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At this time most references were available with a wide variety of dials. I see no reason to suspect the dial on your watch has been changed.
Thanks, Davidt. It’s not that the dial is different, it’s about the case which is slightly different from the 131.041 picture from the database. See the post and pictures above. The variation in dials that my Google research indicates might be the variety of dials you mentioned.

The 135.041 has the same dial but a completely different case..
 
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You’ve lost me.

The reference has no bearing on the dial. The reference number is a case reference number, denoting case style (but not material). Each case ref came with multiple dials.

I’m guessing this may be a locally made case (often so with solid gold cases), which is close to the reference number you quite, but not exactly the same. Are there any marks inside the case back?
 
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You’ve lost me.

The reference has no bearing on the dial. The reference number is a case reference number, denoting case style (but not material). Each case ref came with multiple dials.

I’m guessing this may be a locally made case (often so with solid gold cases), which is close to the reference number you quite, but not exactly the same. Are there any marks inside the case back?
I got you Davidt. That’s right and it might be a local made case. The lugs are 5% different then the reference number. There is no reference number inside the caseback. That’s were all my questions game from.

So it might be an illegal case. Is that called a Franken? There’s a 18k stemp in one of the lugs. I cant ask my grandpa about this watch anymore but I love it. That’s why I’m eager to find out.
 
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Not an illegal case at all. It was commonplace during this time for solid gold cases to be made in the country of sale to avoid duties. In the UK for example it was common for Shackman and Sons to make the gold cases, which were then paired with Omega movements by the UK distributor.

It’s probably a perfectly genuine and original, local market watch.
 
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I have had an overwhelming feeling of deju vu coming back to this thread after 4 years. I thought it had all been made clear but obviously not. You are going to send yourself mad with this search you are determined on but can never be resolved with any certainty.

It is clear that this watch is not a 135.041 or any other omega case reference because if it were then the case reference would be stamped inside the case back. (The references are case references and not dial references so can come with many different dials)

That only really leaves 2 possibilities

The most likely is that it was locally made case and the watch was assembled in the country of sale with genuine omega movement and dial. This would not be a franken watch but a legitimate omega watch made in such a way to avoid import duties as was fairly common practice at the time. Unusual it was not marked inside the caseback but still my favourite option.

Second and less likely in my opinion is that it was originally supplied in an Omega case but then was recased at some future date for some reason unknown (damaged case maybe?). This I guess would make it a franken but still an attractive watch. I don't think this is the most likely option but possible.

No one can know for certain in this circumstance. Any opinions are subjective and based on experience and probability. Its frustrating but you will just have to accept it and enjoy wearing the watch.
 
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I have had an overwhelming feeling of deju vu coming back to this thread after 4 years. I thought it had all been made clear but obviously not. You are going to send yourself mad with this search you are determined on but can never be resolved with any certainty.

It is clear that this watch is not a 135.041 or any other omega case reference because if it were then the case reference would be stamped inside the case back. (The references are case references and not dial references so can come with many different dials)

That only really leaves 2 possibilities

The most likely is that it was locally made case and the watch was assembled in the country of sale with genuine omega movement and dial. This would not be a franken watch but a legitimate omega watch made in such a way to avoid import duties as was fairly common practice at the time. Unusual it was not marked inside the caseback but still my favourite option.

Second and less likely in my opinion is that it was originally supplied in an Omega case but then was recased at some future date for some reason unknown (damaged case maybe?). This I guess would make it a franken but still an attractive watch. I don't think this is the most likely option but possible.

No one can know for certain in this circumstance. Any opinions are subjective and based on experience and probability. Its frustrating but you will just have to accept it and enjoy wearing the watch.
Thanks Davidt and Gav,

I want to express my sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge. I wasn't going to extremes with my search, but I decided to give it one last shot. I now have a clear understanding of the locally made cases and how this was a common practice back then. My grandfather purchased this watch around 1970 and wore it proudly, mainly during special occasions such as their 50th wedding anniversary and his retirement. I didn't feel comfortable with the idea that this might be a Franken watch, as some ill-informed individuals on a Dutch forum suggested. A few very knowledgeable vintage Omega enthusiasts on that forum also mentioned some of the same details you provided. We may never know about the case thing for 100%, but this is sufficient. Watches are my passion, and researching locally made cases is a fun and rewarding sub-hobby.

Gav, you've given me the best and clearest possible answers. Thank you!
 
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Thanks Davidt and Gav,

I want to express my sincere thanks for sharing your knowledge. I wasn't going to extremes with my search, but I decided to give it one last shot. I now have a clear understanding of the locally made cases and how this was a common practice back then. My grandfather purchased this watch around 1970 and wore it proudly, mainly during special occasions such as their 50th wedding anniversary and his retirement. I didn't feel comfortable with the idea that this might be a Franken watch, as some ill-informed individuals on a Dutch forum suggested. A few very knowledgeable vintage Omega enthusiasts on that forum also mentioned some of the same details you provided. We may never know about the case thing for 100%, but this is sufficient. Watches are my passion, and researching locally made cases is a fun and rewarding sub-hobby.

Gav, you've given me the best and clearest possible answers. Thank you!
The most important thing is that it was your Grandpa's watch. Every time you look down at it you are looking at the same view he looked upon so many times. And touching the same things he touched. That is priceless and something you will be able to pass down to other family members when the time comes. All the rest is just unimportant background information.
 
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The most important thing is that it was your Grandpa's watch. Every time you look down at it you are looking at the same view he looked upon so many times. And touching the same things he touched. That is priceless and something you will be able to pass down to other family members when the time comes. All the rest is just unimportant background information.
I wanted to thank you for the beautiful posts. It truly encapsulates the essence of my Grandpa’s watch. The shared view and touch across time make it invaluable. This message feels like the perfect conclusion to our discussion in this topic.”