Grandpa his Omega Geneve (1970)

altijdoptijd · Nov 25, 2019

Hey guys! The movement service is just fine so I can wear it without being afraid something is happening! The watch looks amazing for his 50 years. No scratch on the glas (dont know the englisch word) and the case is how my grandpa leaved it. Beautifull as well!

My main questions are about originality of the watch due the caseback things and getting the model clear!

I appreciate all the advise and knowledge! 😀

Gav1967 · Nov 25, 2019

altijdoptijd
Hey guys! The movement service is just fine so I can wear it without being afraid something is happening! The watch looks amazing for his 50 years. No scratch on the glas (dont know the englisch word) and the case is how my grandpa leaved it. Beautifull as well!

My main questions are about originality of the watch due the caseback things and getting the model clear!

I appreciate all the advise and knowledge! 😀

It's a pleasure. Hope you enjoy the watch for many more years to come

altijdoptijd · Nov 25, 2019

altijdoptijd
On the same reference number you mean? Little changes in details? I heard before a same model Omega Geneve had different details. The 'house' was slightly different then the same model/other watch for example.

So you also say it is definitely a original Genève Gav? And can you explain the thing above if you like?

Gav1967 · Nov 25, 2019

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So you also say it is definitely a original Genève Gav? And can you explain the thing above if you like?

I have no doubt it is genuine and a very nice example in good condtion.

Not too much to explain. My understanding is that Omega did not necessarily give a different reference number to each dial design, colour, hands etc.there were often so many different variants of hands and dials etc that this would have been impractical

see the attached link. the first three numbers (131) of the model means
1. gents watch
3. Manual winding centre second
1. non water resistant

Gav1967 · Nov 25, 2019

altijdoptijd · Nov 25, 2019

Gav1967
I have no doubt it is genuine and a very nice example in good condtion.

Not too much to explain. My understanding is that Omega did not necessarily give a different reference number to each dial design, colour, hands etc.there were often so many different variants of hands and dials etc that this would have been impractical

see the attached link. the first three numbers (131) of the model means
1. gents watch
3. Manual winding centre second
1. non water resistant

Thank you very much for your time and info again Gav. I understand how the numbers are working now. Because the info is missing in the inside I didn’t got a reference number and had to search true the database in the looks and found the model mentioned earlier wich is 95% the same except for the case hands. So I’ll keep it on this ‘model’. Nice to hear you said this is such a good example and you like the watch!

The watchmaker is making a photo report while servicing so I will upload it later if you guys are curious!

Gav1967 · Nov 25, 2019

altijdoptijd
Thank you very much for your time and info again Gav. I understand how the numbers are working now. Because the info is missing in the inside I didn’t got a reference number and had to search true the database in the looks and found the model mentioned earlier wich is 95% the same except for the case hands. So I’ll keep it on this ‘model’. Nice to hear you said this is such a good example and you like the watch!

The watchmaker is making a photo report while servicing so I will upload it later if you guys are curious!

It is a very nice exmple. I have a small niggling doubt that the winding crown may have been replaced at some point. Cant explain why but it just looks a little big for the case. Only my own thought and this was not uncommon on a watch of this age and that is of little consequence anyway. certainly nothing to worry about.
service photos would be good and then maybe stay around on the forum and gain knowledge and see if you catch the watch bug !!😉

altijdoptijd · Nov 26, 2019

Gav1967
It is a very nice exmple. I have a small niggling doubt that the winding crown may have been replaced at some point. Cant explain why but it just looks a little big for the case. Only my own thought and this was not uncommon on a watch of this age and that is of little consequence anyway. certainly nothing to worry about.
service photos would be good and then maybe stay around on the forum and gain knowledge and see if you catch the watch bug !!😉

Thanks Gav. It's possible but I will never know if my Grandpa have serviced it or changed something. For loads of people who are not into watches as we are, the rule is. When it's working, it works. 😀

Already hooked and the watch bug is already here! 😉

altijdoptijd · Dec 2, 2019

Curious if more Omega Geneve experts would like to read my Geneve story and know more about this model? 😉

altijdoptijd · Dec 27, 2019

In service as we speak! Will share some more photo's if some of you are interested!

altijdoptijd · Sep 23, 2022

It’s been a while since i started this topic for my grandpa’s Omega Geneve. Since the last pictures it had been serviced and got some love. I weer it so now and then. I’m still on the haunt for the ‘right’ reference number. As mentioned before there is a stamp on the back, no reference on the Inside of the caseback and that’s why it COULD be a frankenstein. Or is it a ‘re-dail’? The only thing the watchmaker noticed was that the crown is probably replaced in all those years and had some issues with he case.

I would love to hear from the Omega Geneve specialists en lovers again, or others for who this topic is new! Got some info or toughts? Let me know.. 😀

Dan S · Sep 23, 2022

I haven't gone back to re-read the thread, but if there is no reference number inside the case-back, it might be a locally cased Omega watch, which generally don't have a standard reference number. If you could show a clear high-resolution photo of the inside of the case-back, we might be able to verify.

altijdoptijd · Sep 23, 2022

Dan S
I haven't gone back to re-read the thread, but if there is no reference number inside the case-back, it might be a locally cased Omega watch, which generally don't have a standard reference number. If you could show a clear high-resolution photo of the inside of the case-back, we might be able to verify.

Thanks Dan! There is a lot of info in the previous posts by others. I have got a few pictures from the watchmaker which I can share with you.

I keep coming to this reference number.
https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-omega-geneve-omega-ba-131-0041

Dan S · Sep 23, 2022

It's unusual to have no engravings at all in the case-back, but pretty much rules out the possibility that it's an Omega factory case. The best scenario is that it is a locally cased Omega (which was done to avoid import taxes), and that the particular case-maker did not engrave the inside, which is odd to me, but apparently some other members have seen cases like this before. Such watches do not have Omega references numbers such as the type you are looking for (e.g. 131.0041) so your search for an Omega reference number will be fruitless IMO. We just call them locally cased Omega watches, or sometimes nationally cased watches.

Another possibility is that the case-back was custom made to replace a damaged case-back.

altijdoptijd · Sep 23, 2022

Dan S
It's unusual to have no engravings at all in the case-back, but pretty much rules out the possibility that it's an Omega factory case. The best scenario is that it is a locally cased Omega (which was done to avoid import taxes), and that the particular case-maker did not engrave the inside, which is odd to me, but apparently some other members have seen cases like this before. Such watches do not have Omega references numbers such as the type you are looking for (e.g. 131.0041) so your search for an Omega reference number will be fruitless IMO. We just call them locally cased Omega watches, or sometimes nationally cased watches.

Another possibility is that the case-back was custom made to replace a damaged case-back.

Thanks a lot for your reply Dan. So a ‘locale cased Omega’ is it a - non official - case made by a gold smith for example and with an added Omega dail and mechanics? I have read thats called a Franken? The case is tested and is 18k gold.

If the caseback is replaced due to a damaged case-back I should find the model on the Omega website. So the first option sounds logical with your knowledge.

Dan S · Sep 23, 2022

A locally/nationally cased Omega is a fully legit and authentic Omega watch. Omega contracted with case makers in various countries to assemble these watches, it was done to avoid import duties. Dennison is a fairly famous example of this in the UK, and there is at least one thread on the forum where people post those watches (https://omegaforums.net/threads/the-dennison-cased-omega-thread.113311/). This was also done in the US, various European countries, Australia, and South America. Usually those case-makers did stamp the Omega logo inside the back, which is not present on your watch. Sometimes the local cases have reference numbers specific to the case-maker, but those numbers would not correspond to any of the Omega catalog reference numbers that you will find in the Omega Vintage Database. I hope this clarifies your question.

If a damaged case-back of a factory-made watch were replaced by Omega, then it would have a reference number. If it were a custom case-back made by a jeweler, then it would not necessarily have any numbers.

sathomasga · Sep 23, 2022

Dan S
Omega contracted with case makers in various countries to assemble these watches, it was done to avoid import duties.

Out of curiousity, did Omega reliably add an export mark (such as "OXG") on those movements, or was that only for high volume import agents such as Norman Morris in the US? There is some writing I can't make out in the movement photograph, but I don't know anything about the export/import situation in the Netherlands at the time.

Dan S · Sep 23, 2022

That is a US import code. Not an export code. It would be on movements imported into the US, whether they were already cased or not.

altijdoptijd · Sep 24, 2022

So it looks like my Omega is a franken? Not fake but maybe a custum case with other Omega materials? It was from my grandpa who left me this watch. It doesn’t matter and will keep it forever. But even if it’s not original, I would love to know as much as possible. The dail, etc. Luckily he never knew all this as he bought this in 1970 as an original Omega which he always dressed up with for special occasions.

JimInOz · Sep 24, 2022

sathomasga
..........There is some writing I can't make out in the movement photograph, but I don't know anything about the export/import situation in the Netherlands at the time.

The writing is standard for a 601. The hard to see words are:

ADJUSTED TWO (2) POSITIONS

SEVENTEEN
17 JEWELS

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