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From 7077 to 1171... 18 vintage Seamaster and Speedmaster Bracelets

  1. uwsearch

    uwsearch Oct 1, 2017

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    I don't have any jubilee, none of my speedmasters were delivered to America.
    I do have an Holzer on a chocolate "mexican" MKII from 1969, but didn't include it in that post.


    I don't have any 1067, my Seamaster 120 are on 1098/547 and 1069/524.

    1067 is a kind of smaller 1035 with spring flat links.
    They were delivered on the early Seamaster 120 165.027 166.027 135.027 136.027 with 532 endlinks
     
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  2. vienna

    vienna Oct 1, 2017

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    @Interstellar

    You are right they were made for the South American market. Also in a wider version for the Mk2. They are also mentioned in Speedmaster - A time capsule

    Best regards Max
     
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  3. Nactex

    Nactex Oct 6, 2017

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    Check out this 1168 bracelet being sold as an Apollo-Soyuz bracelet. It has 18mm last links instead of the 20mm last links used for the Speedmaster. Don't get me wrong, you can still use it with 633 ends, but it is not worth $810 with the wrong size last links.( I know it has 18mm last links because I emailed the seller and asked. It is not mentioned in the listing.) This thread should be permanently pinned at the top of this section.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintag...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
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  4. uwsearch

    uwsearch Oct 6, 2017

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    There is an other similar item (282681882869) for a better price...
     
  5. Nactex

    Nactex Oct 6, 2017

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    I was just pointing out the crazy price for the not quite right 1168 A-S bracelet.
     
  6. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Oct 6, 2017

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    I'd be more concerned that this 1168 bracelet appears to have an incorrect buckle from an 1171 bracelet.

    Furthermore, Regarding the links ( which appear correct for an 1168, but short), it is common for the last link to be narrower than the end link and lug gap. If the last bracelet link was equal to the lug width, the bracelet could scratch the insides of the lugs.

    An example is the 1035 bracelet whose last link is approx approx 18mm while the lug gap on an Ed White 105.003 is 19mm. Occasionally you might see an incorrect 1039 bracelet attached to an Ed White. As the last link of a 1039
    Is approx 19mm, the last link can often get stuck and rub the inside of the Ed White's lugs.
     
  7. Nactex

    Nactex Oct 6, 2017

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    I was just pointing out there are 2 different 1168's with different last link widths. This is the wrong one to be listed for the A-S Speedmaster.
    Note the previous chart:
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  8. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Oct 6, 2017

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    Ok. These 1168s are a bit more modern than most of my bracelets and MWO only shows a raised emblem 1168 for Speedies.

    The OP seems to indicate that, 18mm, 1168 were produced for Geneve's. Perhaps the bracelet you posted was originally from a Geneve?
     
  9. panaitchrono

    panaitchrono Oct 6, 2017

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    A thread full of informations..thank you for all your time and sharing...
     
  10. chipsotoole

    chipsotoole Oct 25, 2017

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    Bravo, really excellent work....this one goes to the top of the class..
     
  11. TsoloT

    TsoloT Oct 25, 2017

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    Fantastic piece of research very useful
     
  12. JimJupiter

    JimJupiter Oct 25, 2017

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    If you want I can provide the data for a 1067:

    A:18,4 B:10,1

    Best Nico
     
  13. Toishome

    Toishome Nov 3, 2017

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    Excellent post. How is this not a sticky?
     
  14. Stuie

    Stuie Nov 16, 2017

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    Thank you uwsearch !
    Fantastic information

    Here is another source of bracelet information
    http://speedmaster.style.coocan.jp/urawaza09.htm#m9-title

    As it is mainly in Japanese a bit of time is needed cross referencing through google translate but there is some good info here also. (If you view through chrome and enable translate it is done automatically)
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=translate

    The same website also has lots of speedmaster customisations which is quite interesting as the author points things out such as suitablity and size of parts etc.
     
  15. Stuie

    Stuie Dec 14, 2017

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  16. bama2141

    bama2141 Dec 15, 2017

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    I recently purchased a 145.024 Seamaster Jedi, and it’s fitted with an 1171/175. Per the OPs photos, it’s the oldest 1171 version with the unboxed Omega symbol. Not clear if that bracelet was original to the watch, but seems to be chronologically correct if nothing else.

    This version of the 1171 uses screw pins on the bracelet removable links. I recently tried to order additional screw pins and, when they were received, I found them to be roughly 1mm too long. The supplier was flummoxed, saying he had used these on many 1171s. So my question to the OP is this: does the subsequent 1171 version also use screw pins, and are they slightly longer?
     
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  17. Richard G

    Richard G Dec 15, 2017

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    Thank you Uwsearch for this thread and the research efort you put into this. Best post on Omega bracelets I’ve seen in 20+ years of collecting!
    Cheers from Old Europe
    Richard
     
  18. Locost

    Locost Feb 9, 2018

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    This answered more questions than I even knew I had about my bracelet. Thank you.
     
  19. yeuhuan

    yeuhuan Apr 12, 2018

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    As many have said, this is amazing work and highly appreciated. Just did a bracelet deal and would never have done so without the info here. I believe I had the right deal for me. Fingers crossed! It will be here in a few days.
     
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  20. warrydog

    warrydog Apr 21, 2018

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    Thank you very much.. This is going in my binder.
    Great work!!!!