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Found a little Cartier Tank, but is it?

  1. padders Oooo subtitles! Jun 22, 2019

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    @themattedial

    Well it seems I need to recant my earlier skepticism. I have asked my pal who is a expert on Cartier and he has stated that looks genuine. The case is likely gold plated brass, and was a precursor to the Must range which went over to gold plated silver. The Beryllium bronze balance on the movement suggests it is a higher grade movement than some and is a good indication it’s legit. It’s not massively valuable and from an era when there were some pretty ordinary Cartier products but genuine. That said, the dial on this looks damaged and the case being thinly plated will be susceptible to brassing so I don’t think it is the best example of the breed. He did remark that selling these on is very difficult because people assume they are fake!
     
  2. Mark020 not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer Jun 22, 2019

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    Me too. Not the best period for Cartier
     
  3. themattedial Jun 22, 2019

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    Wow case closed. I really appreciate your help! As another member alluded to, funny we are talking about how bad the originals are in this case :)

    I'll have a new main spring installed and it can be a beater for my lady.
     
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  4. AriTheWatchmaker Jun 25, 2019

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    ActuallyI am confident it is a genuine Cartier- I have seen this model a lot. The movement, case, and dial all look correct. They made plenty of plated watches in the 70's and 80's. Best part is its easily serviced with an ETA movement
     
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  5. Dms5150 Jan 15, 2020

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    Concur with this being real. Cartier in the 1960's wasn't even a single company, with New York, Paris and London operating independently. Apparently the first gold plated models were made out of New York (not with a silver base) when they were still seperate businesses. When investors bought the Paris office and it all became one company again they released the "must de" line, but even some of those were made by different companies under license, which explains the huge variation in quality. Seen many 18k gold Cartiers from the 70's without the numeral leg detail so I'm not sure this is an indicator of authenticity at least for the 70's.
     
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  6. Frontierjohn8 Jan 16, 2020

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    I've NEVER seen any Cartier watch, and I own many, that didn't have SWISS MADE at the bottom of the face plate! Your watch from what I can see only says SWISS, NOT SWISS MADE. Therefore I have to say it's NOT A GENUINE CARTIER.
     
  7. rkman11 Jan 16, 2020

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    Sorry, that’s incorrect. Many vintage Cartier Tanks have only SWISS written on the dial. Some have nothing written (see Andy Warhol’s) some have PARIS written (see Jackie Kennedy’s) and many have SWISS written (see Google)
     
  8. Dms5150 Jan 16, 2020

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    Hi there, yep agree with rkman11. I have the Cartier Tank book by Franco Cologni, and it lays out some of the variations. Variants at the bottom of the face include PARIS and SWISS. Also most Tanks made by London Cartier have no marking at all at the bottom of the face, but sometimes may say LONDON. SWISS MADE only started to be used in the late 80's early 90's. There was a run of cheaper Gold-plated tanks that where released over brass (not silver) before the Must De line came in, so this could be one of those.
     
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  9. janice&fred Jan 16, 2020

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    as a previous member recalled, these lower grade plated tanks were coming out of Cartier NYC back in the '70's. I seen lots of them. it's the real deal.
     
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  10. rkman11 Jan 16, 2020

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    Also, did you really just sign up and decide your first post - your very first post - instead of an introduction, instead of information about you and your collection, instead of pictures of your watches, should really be this caps-laden, aggressive bit of mistruth?
     
  11. themattedial Jan 17, 2020

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    If the community opinion wasn’t enough... I did bring this piece to a Cartier boutique. They also confirmed it was an authentic piece. Without a doubt it was in rough shape. Badly peeling dial, overwound movement with a broken mainspring, etc. all the things you would expect why buying something like this for a few bucks.

    Since it was in such bad shape, I opted to have them restore the watch - something I’ve never done with a vintage watch for obvious reasons, but I thought there wasn’t much to lose in this case.

    What an amazing transformation. I was floored. They replaced the dial with a enamel dial and added blued steel hands. The movement was overhauled and it feels like a brand new piece.

    Here it is:

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    Oh, and now the dial says “Paris”
     
  12. Evitzee Jan 17, 2020

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    Looks great, but what did that restoration cost?
     
  13. themattedial Jan 17, 2020

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    I *think* it was about 750 or so. I’m pretty happy about it and my wife loves the piece.
     
  14. Evitzee Jan 17, 2020

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    If the wife loves it......that's all that matters.
     
  15. Dr.K Jan 28, 2020

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    I was thinking the same! That C in the original post looks fishy. Odd placement too!
     
  16. themattedial Jan 28, 2020

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    As fishy as it *might* look - the watch was authenticated and serviced by Cartier months ago, so this is moot. It just serves as another example of a valid variation we can look for.
     
  17. kev1976t Feb 3, 2020

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    wow, what a difference the restoration has made!
     
  18. florian0079 May 29, 2020

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    Excellent result!

    Do wonder though, have been told last year by Cartier London that they don't offer re-plating anymore. (was looking to get my Must de tank redone)
    Could you provide more info about the process of getting it refurbished?
     
  19. themattedial May 29, 2020

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    Thanks! Cartier did not touch the case at all — they replaced the glass, dial, hands, crown, and overhauled the movement. I didn’t inquire about re-plating, so I’m not sure if Cartier is still offering that service in the US.
     
  20. Litempo Jun 21, 2020

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    LEGIT. I gave one of this to my wife.
    Had to change that exactly same dial, for the must de Cartier, because the original,pocelanized I think, was in bad condition.