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Can you try before you buy?

If not, that's not a whole lot of cash to try.

What are you using now? That is an important connection, let your ears tell you after things settle.
Can’t try before I buy. They’re an eBay offer. I agree I could buy and not be too bothered if they’re not all that, but wanted to see if anyone here might jump to tell me either to buy ‘em because they’re great or to keep them a long way away from me.
 
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Can’t try before I buy. They’re an eBay offer. I agree I could buy and not be too bothered if they’re not all that, but wanted to see if anyone here might jump to tell me either to buy ‘em because they’re great or to keep them a long way away from me.
They'll be well-made but whether they're an improvement will be impossible to say.

I've tried some weird stuff over the years because I could get some of the parts for free, like using ribbon cable for speakers (don't bother). The only interconnect I know of that will do little harm is star-quad shielded microphone cable, if you assemble it correctly, which means the shield is connected at one end only, and that end almost universally is attached to the preamplifier.
 
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Plenty of good cable makers out there that use Canare, etc. and put on good terminations -- and for much less cost than companies like Audioquest charge. I've sworn off 'audiophile' cables and am none the worse (actually am probably better off).
 
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They'll be well-made but whether they're an improvement will be impossible to say.

I've tried some weird stuff over the years because I could get some of the parts for free, like using ribbon cable for speakers (don't bother). The only interconnect I know of that will do little harm is star-quad shielded microphone cable, if you assemble it correctly, which means the shield is connected at one end only, and that end almost universally is attached to the preamplifier.

That sort of thing is way above my pay grade. These will be replacing a pair of Van den Hul the D 102 mark 3 interconnects, if that helps to compare.
 
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Not sold on over-spending … my gear is mostly wired up with AQ Evergreen with one set of Worlds Best. No complaints.
 
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Plenty of good cable makers out there that use Canare, etc. and put on good terminations -- and for much less cost than companies like Audioquest charge. I've sworn off 'audiophile' cables and am none the worse (actually am probably better off).
I buy Mogami quad star in bulk and terminate it myself. I’ve done A/B against some $$$$$ stuff and it’s excellent cable. It’s all I will use for phono interconnect as it’s the lowest resistance I can find at any price. Good enough for the studios making the recordings, good enough for me!
 
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Have had good luck with Audioquest in their mid-range lines. I don't hear much difference in various cables, though. Tin ear maybe.
 
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Have had good luck with Audioquest in their mid-range lines. I don't hear much difference in various cables, though. Tin ear maybe.

It is not the ears but the resolution of your system.
Many high resolving systems are unpleasant to listen to (for me at least)
 
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Have had good luck with Audioquest in their mid-range lines. I don't hear much difference in various cables, though. Tin ear maybe.
No, it's because there really isn't much to hear unless one cable is made to actually affect the frequency response in a negative way, or the cable is woefully undersized for the distance/ load.

Like JW, I made some of my own cables this past summer. After falling for manufacturer BS for 40+ years of my life I have finally come around. Why spend $500 on 'budget audiophile' speaker cables when you can make some that are easily equal for less than $50? Leaves a lot more money for watches...
 
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Nothing makes a system sound better than when you disconnect everything, clean the connectors, and reconnect everything. 😀

Over time, crud does in fact ocurr in those connections. RCA plugs aren't exactly the best choice, but that's what we have.
 
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I think what gets lost in the debate on cables is not what they add, but what they subtract. Dropping the noise floor and removing all traces of EMI and RF is the goal. When people think a cable has “lifted a veil” or gave more punch and dynamics to music, it’s not really bullshit- it was always there in their system, it was just masked by poor signal transmission or the additional of environmental or electrical artifacts.
Part of the hype on cabling isn’t just hype:
There is truth to the metallurgy of different conductors- not bullshit.
Silver conducts differently than copper- not bullshit.
Solid core conducts differently than stranded- not bullshit.
Coax conducts differently than unshielded- not bullshit.
Resistance and capacitance effect the conductivity of signals (which can be both good and bad in different application)- not bullshit.
Skin effect is not bullshit.

My Urei speakers (by their specs written for technical studio applications) require a minimum of 12 gauge cable for proper dampening. Most high end speaker cables (AQ for example) use 20g or smaller braided conductor and massive amounts of shielding. They do not do what those specific speakers need. But, those same cables sound fabulous on my Quad L2 towers or Sonus Faber Electa’s .
I have found than solid silver core, or silver plated copper coax cable works fabulously for digital signals (as is used in head end stations for digital video transmission), but can be fairly high impedance. Low resistance cable (like microphone cable like
The aforementioned Canare or Mogami) is imperative for low output analog signals (like turntable leads).

Also how cables are routed is an issue as if not properly shielded and going past a source of EMI (like a duplex outlet), it will pick up a subtle 60 cycle hum (I learned that the hard way chasing a hum for years- and it was the proximity to an outlet). Heavy shielding can resolve that, but not always necessary- placement was the issue there.
There is a lot of truth and a lot of fairy dust in cables. Lamp cord sucks, it always has. But cables are a market where the results are fairly subjective and there is virtually no way to prove that a cable can provide a better image, or give more bass slam, or lift the back wall off the room…although I have heard all the above with different cables and not changing anything else in a system. But as to companies claiming such results- show me that graph.
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Yeah, all of those claims are easy enough to substantiate with things like comparing the frequency response of a loudspeaker with one cable vs another. Yet cable manufactures do not offer such comparison tests.

For cables to pick up interference requires poor/ no shielding combined with way above normal electrical issues; quad shield cables definitely can address that. Capacitance and resistance could theoretically be a factor, but for home-length cables run the calcs -- they are so miniscule they are orders of magnitude below what will impact the sound.

Cables should not be microscopically thin crap, but it really does not take much for them to be good. And from there, truckloads of extra $$$ buys you cables with hocus pocus boxes melded in that actually do impact frequency response, and not in a transparent manner. I guess they can be okay for helping balance out a poor component, but it would be a lot cheaper to replace that poor component.

All that said, the semi-vintage (1984) Onkyo receiver in my son's system keeps blowing the fuse. The last one only stayed good for about an hour. He really wants me to get it fixed, although it likely needs a thorough going-over for a few hundred $. I'd rather replace it, but to him it is sentimental (it held it's own in the daily 'stereo wars' when I lived in a dorm in college).
 
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Time to replace the electrolytic caps.
Yes, most likely. There are a lot, plus boards as stacked. So it will require a bit of labor. It's beyond my pay grade.
 
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I think what gets lost in the debate on cables is not what they add, but what they subtract. Dropping the noise floor and removing all traces of EMI and RF is the goal. When people think a cable has “lifted a veil” or gave more punch and dynamics to music, it’s not really bullshit- it was always there in their system, it was just masked by poor signal transmission or the additional of environmental or electrical artifacts.
Part of the hype on cabling isn’t just hype:
There is truth to the metallurgy of different conductors- not bullshit.
Silver conducts differently than copper- not bullshit.
Solid core conducts differently than stranded- not bullshit.
Coax conducts differently than unshielded- not bullshit.
Resistance and capacitance effect the conductivity of signals (which can be both good and bad in different application)- not bullshit.
Skin effect is not bullshit.

My Urei speakers (by their specs written for technical studio applications) require a minimum of 12 gauge cable for proper dampening. Most high end speaker cables (AQ for example) use 20g or smaller braided conductor and massive amounts of shielding. They do not do what those specific speakers need. But, those same cables sound fabulous on my Quad L2 towers or Sonus Faber Electa’s .
I have found than solid silver core, or silver plated copper coax cable works fabulously for digital signals (as is used in head end stations for digital video transmission), but can be fairly high impedance. Low resistance cable (like microphone cable like
The aforementioned Canare or Mogami) is imperative for low output analog signals (like turntable leads).

Also how cables are routed is an issue as if not properly shielded and going past a source of EMI (like a duplex outlet), it will pick up a subtle 60 cycle hum (I learned that the hard way chasing a hum for years- and it was the proximity to an outlet). Heavy shielding can resolve that, but not always necessary- placement was the issue there.
There is a lot of truth and a lot of fairy dust in cables. Lamp cord sucks, it always has. But cables are a market where the results are fairly subjective and there is virtually no way to prove that a cable can provide a better image, or give more bass slam, or lift the back wall off the room…although I have heard all the above with different cables and not changing anything else in a system. But as to companies claiming such results- show me that graph.
Question is how much of that is audible to a point where there is a dramatic enough difference that is actually noticeable.
 
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I didn't realise interconnects was such a rabbit-hole with pretty strong views on either side of the debate. I decided not to take up the offer of the Audioquest and stick with my Van den Hul's for the time being.

Thank you for the comments.
 
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Question is how much of that is audible to a point where there is a dramatic enough difference that is actually noticeable.
Surprisingly quite a bit is audible- but the underlying din is what needs to be eliminated (emi/rf), and becuase it is a din and not actual “noise” that we perceive as sound, we don’t really grasp that it’s muddying the waters. a low 60hz buzz, no matter how subtle can muddy any musical frequency in that range (speakers are working to produce the buzz as well as the music in that range). That sound of “air” or a low hum that we hear with nothing playing is actually cancelling or masking other sounds in that range when music is playing.
The single most valuable “upgrade” I made in my listening room was speaker/furniture placement and room treatment. I am
Limited by my space (L shaped finished basement with 7” ceilings) I did an experiment where I covered the flatscreen tv with a blanket as well as the framed picture above the couch. I put throw pillows propped on stools up against the left wall where the left speaker reflects off the wall, and a large piece of insulation in the left corner to work as a bass trap. No amount of cabling has ever made the difference that made- image deepened by about 10 feet, widened beyond the speakers, instruments and vocals separates (three singers harmonizing sounded like three district voices and not a wall of sound) and I stated getting that rear sound effect @SkunkPrince mentioned earlier where we perceive sounds in the room and not just from the speakers.
Playing with cabling can truly make a difference in how the signal is transmitted- no doubt. But the room itself is more detrimental to what we hear than any component or cable.
Before someone upgrades anything in their current system, work out the acoustic issues in the room first- otherwise you are just throwing good money after bad.
 
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and don't be afraid to reposition small amounts. Had a friend over decades ago and he kept saying there was an issue. I moved one of the speakers about an inch. Problem gone!
 
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Crap…all this talk of interconnects, here I sit on a whole spool of 16 gauge shielded in wall speaker cable and I still have old school copper running to my L/R Front and Rear surrounds. Should have noticed that weeks ago when I was installing the new pre amps and CD deck. It’s great to be retired! Winter Wiring fest TBD. Will finally run wire to expand the surround while I’m at it.
 
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Surprisingly quite a bit is audible- but the underlying din is what needs to be eliminated (emi/rf), and becuase it is a din and not actual “noise” that we perceive as sound, we don’t really grasp that it’s muddying the waters. a low 60hz buzz, no matter how subtle can muddy any musical frequency in that range (speakers are working to produce the buzz as well as the music in that range). That sound of “air” or a low hum that we hear with nothing playing is actually cancelling or masking other sounds in that range when music is playing.
The single most valuable “upgrade” I made in my listening room was speaker/furniture placement and room treatment. I am
Limited by my space (L shaped finished basement with 7” ceilings) I did an experiment where I covered the flatscreen tv with a blanket as well as the framed picture above the couch. I put throw pillows propped on stools up against the left wall where the left speaker reflects off the wall, and a large piece of insulation in the left corner to work as a bass trap. No amount of cabling has ever made the difference that made- image deepened by about 10 feet, widened beyond the speakers, instruments and vocals separates (three singers harmonizing sounded like three district voices and not a wall of sound) and I stated getting that rear sound effect @SkunkPrince mentioned earlier where we perceive sounds in the room and not just from the speakers.
Playing with cabling can truly make a difference in how the signal is transmitted- no doubt. But the room itself is more detrimental to what we hear than any component or cable.
Before someone upgrades anything in their current system, work out the acoustic issues in the room first- otherwise you are just throwing good money after bad.
I think moving ones head a few inches has a bigger impact. 😉