Flight crashed Flightmaster?

Fallout Boy · Mar 12, 2023

Nico, what do you think? Langen is not far away from Egelsbach

https://www.hessenschau.de/panorama...n,erzhausen-flugzeug-absturz-ursache-100.html

Durch die starke Schräglage sei die Strömung abgerissen, das Flugzeug aus rund 80 Metern Höhe auf den Acker geprallt und dort ausgebrannt. !!!!

microsoft translation:

Due to the strong inclination, the current (stall IMO) broke off, the aircraft crashed into the field from a height of about 80 meters and burned out there.

Duracuir1 · Mar 12, 2023

Fallout Boy
Nico, what do you think? Langen is not far away from Egelsbach

https://www.hessenschau.de/panorama...n,erzhausen-flugzeug-absturz-ursache-100.html

Interesting…. In my 33 years as a police officer I responded to several - I stopped counting at 150 - fatal crashes. Cars, motorcycles, bicycles, trucks, trains, ATVs, farm implements and two airplanes. One of them involved a car vs truck. The driver of the car died. His watch was on the floor of the car and stopped at the time of the collision. If you can pinpoint the time of the crash (above) you may see if it corresponds to the watch. Oh, and one of the planes that crashed carried only one occupant, and he walked away. His plane was totalled.

JimJupiter · Mar 12, 2023

Fallout Boy
Nico, what do you think? Langen is not far away from Egelsbach

https://www.hessenschau.de/panorama...n,erzhausen-flugzeug-absturz-ursache-100.html

Durch die starke Schräglage sei die Strömung abgerissen, das Flugzeug aus rund 80 Metern Höhe auf den Acker geprallt und dort ausgebrannt. !!!!

microsoft translation:

Due to the strong inclination, the current (stall IMO) broke off, the aircraft crashed into the field from a height of about 80 meters and burned out there.

Hmm, they said the pilot switched from instrumental to visual flight at 3:22 pm. The watch shows 4:09pm. Not to far away either. But I think thats pure speculation 😁

Arancio601 · Mar 12, 2023

If an OF member bought it I’m keen to see the movement condition!

mancio · Mar 12, 2023

Arancio601
If an OF member bought it I’m keen to see the movement condition!

Yeah, that would be interesting to see.

paddymoran · Mar 12, 2023

JimJupiter
Uhm, wow!

Not sure whether someone on OF bought it but I’m struggling to see the value. A lot of bids from different bidders - genuinely surprised it attracted such interest (and I’m a proud owner of a 145.026).

sheepdoll · Mar 12, 2023

Out of my price range. The auction ended during the Things with springs chat. So we were discussing the case and hands. I was comparing to the Heuer hands I plan to restore.

I also got an A11 movement with a stripped hour hand. So the case and hands are salvageable.

Earthquakes clocks and watches used to sometimes tend to show up from the 1906 quake and fire. These were stopped arround 5AM. Of course people choose 5:13 because they can.

I have a repeater watch from the 1990 East bay hills Fire. (and a grandfather clock from 1989.)

The repeater was still wet when I got it at the Mart. The steel quickly rusted. Why I made a pinion cutter as I could not find a matching wheel train in my friends spare parts. I keep meaning to dig these parts out and make a thread. Part of the reason I burned out on watches in the early (pun not intended.) Was I got in over my head wanting to restore it. Too easy to get sidetracked with things like the enamel painting classes or How EDM machines work. It would probably be simpler to make a new watch from raw materials.

I seem to be falling back into some of my old habits. At least this is one I do not have to deal with.

Archer · Mar 12, 2023

That one is my kind of project...

Arancio601 · Mar 12, 2023

I bid but wasn’t prepared to go that high knowing it would cost a bomb no matter which way I would go with it. I would have sent it Al’s way to get running with as much char left as possible.

josiahg52 · Mar 12, 2023

I think it'd be fun. If I had the time left, I'd work on it. Or I'd get Archer to.

nik_t · Mar 13, 2023

I also placed a bid, but didn't want to bid all the way to the end because of too many unknowns about the restoration.

Omegafanman · Mar 13, 2023

JimJupiter
Hmm, they said the pilot switched from instrumental to visual flight at 3:22 pm. The watch shows 4:09pm. Not to far away either. But I think thats pure speculation 😁

The crash time was listed as 15:30. As an aside it looks like yet another impossible turn/ stall situation. There is a push to get light aircraft pilots better trained on minimum airspeed, loss of power response and low speed manoeuvres, Forget stall recovery - just make sure you never stall. A lot of people still seem to be dying every year by dropping out of the air sadly.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/223635

m84 · Mar 13, 2023

I was following this out of curiosity, must confess, as much s i'd love to own a Flightmaster one day, the final sell price caught me by surprise!

mancio · Mar 13, 2023

Arancio601
I bid but wasn’t prepared to go that high knowing it would cost a bomb no matter which way I would go with it. I would have sent it Al’s way to get running with as much char left as possible.

Yeah, same.
That price is probably is the border line price for a restoration that still make economically sense.

Pastorbottle · Mar 13, 2023

Because I’ve got no intention of selling, I’ve no idea what a good flighty is worth, but that seems an excessively high price for a wreck.

SpeedyPhill · Mar 14, 2023

Omegafanman
The crash time was listed as 15:30. As an aside it looks like yet another impossible turn/ stall situation. There is a push to get light aircraft pilots better trained on minimum airspeed, loss of power response and low speed manoeuvres, Forget stall recovery - just make sure you never stall. A lot of people still seem to be dying every year by dropping out of the air sadly.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/223635

🤔
I've trained & soloed on a single-engined 1970s Morane-Saulnier Rallye which had expanded "slats" on the leading edge, which automatically deployed when one was flying too slow... always a surprise when You see these deploying the very first time, adding additional lift !
By 1967, Morane had changed its name in SOCATA - Societe de Construction d'Avions de Tourisme et d'Affaires and many of these a bulbous cockpit general aviation beauties are still training many pilots to this day.

JimJupiter · Mar 14, 2023

SpeedyPhill
🤔
I've trained & soloed on a single-engined 1970s Morane-Saulnier Rallye which had expanded "slats" on the leading edge, which automatically deployed when one was flying too slow... always a surprise when You see these deploying the very first time, adding additional lift !
By 1967, Morane had changed its name in SOCATA - Societe de Construction d'Avions de Tourisme et d'Affaires and many of these a bulbous cockpit general aviation beauties are still training many pilots to this day.

Sounds like the same technic the old Messerschmitts BF-109 had. Just hold in position by a spring and the aerodynamical drag.

Foo2rama · Mar 14, 2023

Price makes sense.

look at the majority for sale in the 3-4K range. Great dial and hands poor case.

this case looks sharp with no dings and should clean up very well.

possible to push to a 5-6k value watch with this case and a donor dial and hands.

JwRosenthal · Mar 14, 2023

Foo2rama
Price makes sense.

look at the majority for sale in the 3-4K range. Great dial and hands poor case.

this case looks sharp with no dings and should clean up very well.

possible to push to a 5-6k value watch with this case and a donor dial and hands.

Even paying Omega (or a masochistic omega certified watchmaker) $2k+ in parts and labor would still put you ahead of the curve.

kaplan · Mar 14, 2023

A good time to remind that the value goes 2X if you weather, in this case since it was incinerated, probably 3X

Flight crashed Flightmaster?

Fallout Boy

Duracuir1

JimJupiter

Arancio601

mancio

paddymoran

sheepdoll

Archer

Arancio601

josiahg52

nik_t

Omegafanman

m84

mancio

Pastorbottle

SpeedyPhill

JimJupiter

Foo2rama

JwRosenthal

kaplan

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