Fake Speedymoon on ebay

Do you actually know the meaning of "chronometric"?
Your watch is a CHRONOGRAPH.

You are too kind.

Thank you for not wording your response:

"Much better, but did you mean to say
chronograph instead of chronometric."

Kindness is my middle name.
Now stop taking the piss.

What does that mean ?

Silverstone replies:

"Thanks you for your quick response
regarding the sale of your watch. I was
unaware the OF has a thread on the watch, I
will check out the threats as I'm a member on there.

Can I make a suggestion to you, with all the problems
this watch has it might be better you splitting the
watch the movment itself is worth 1500$ the rest
of the bits $500-$600.

I do think you will really struggle to
sell this watch with all its faults."

Regards

Well, yes, I would probably be better
off just selling it off for parts. Small
disappointment there.

MAYBE somebody will see that it is worth $2,000
for the hard-to-find parts and offer that.......

Me thinks it's time we gave this guy an avatar?

Very interesting thread indeed. Good read

I found the listing to be honest, but I think you should go in reverse, open auction starting from 99 cents, at your current starting price someone can purchase many different moon watches that are authentic and starting as early as the 70s........that's going to impact on your buyers I would think.

Good luck

I think that's a good idea.

HOWEVER. eBay will not allow me to use the
word OMEGA in either the title or the text.
(OmegaForums was difficult to get approved)

I cannot use the words "Original Manufacturer",
"Manufacturer "or OEM (Original equipment manufacturer)

I cannot use the names "Lemania," or "Omega" in connection
with the movement, since the entire movement is neither one.

ALSO not allowed is Speedmaster,
since that word is trademarked......

SO: I could call it a "replica," or "recreation" but
COULD NOT use the words OMEGA or SPEEDMASTER,
so the positive identification effects, and
"advertising effect" of those
words are eliminated.

One could reasonably ask
"Replica or recreation" of what ?"

1) I could not reply using the words
Omega and Speedmaster.....

2) eBay would jump in and say:
"Sorry, you can't use the terms 'replica' or 'recreation'
since that is not allowed"
(They have already told us that)

Becomes even more complicated, since we cannot
use terms like "Omega ?", "Speedmaster ?"
since that might "fool" a potential bidder........

By eBay rules, if one had an ORIGINAL Speedmaster,
but the back had been replaced with an aftermarket part.....
(For instance a "clear back,")
ALL of the above would apply, since with the use
of ANY non OEM REPLACEMENT PARTS,
the watch is now NOT an Omega anymore.....

Therefore, if you call it an Omega....it is a FAKE !

They (eBay) said they don't always catch it,
but when they do, off goes the ad !

If somebody complains, they
the eBay seller gets spanked.

Do it more than a few times,
and they may "pull your license."

All because of the above.......

SO: WHEN A BUYER EMAILS YOU AND SAYS "FAKE,"
AND THAT THEY ARE CALLING EBAY".......
you may loose your eBay selling "rights."


[QUOTE="Foo2rama, post: 456140, member: 20013"

]Personally I would have sold off the caseback
Added a clear case back and sell it as a recreation.[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting approach !

I may try it this way for a while,
since it only costs 40 cents
to run the ad.

Be nice to see how much
"traffic" the ad gets without
the words "Omega" or "Speedmaster.".........

I agree totally with this, sell the genuine parts and be done with it

Also not sure if you followed what I meant with my response about the auction in reverse and your competition.

There are many authentic Omega Speedmasters for much less that are readily available. Therefore very difficult for you to sell yours at that price.

I asked about that, and eBay asked me
if I-personally- could identify which
parts were which.

Not some, but ALL parts !

If I couldn't, the ad CANNOT use either
OMEGA or Lemania in the text or title.

(In other words, take the movement completely
apart and positively identify EVERY SINGLE PART
as either Lemania or Omega.

eBay further suggested I just disassemble the movement,
separate it into one pile for EACH manufacturer
to avoid "misrepresentation.")

If the WHOLE movement is either Omega or Lemania, that's fine,.

If there are combined parts in the movement, than neither name
can be used to "name" the movement because it is NEITHER.........

(This is to protect buyers against FAKES)

Do it wrong, and somebody
complains ">>>>>>FAKE>>>>>"
and eBay (again) pulls the ad,
and I risk losing my "selling rights.....

I am being persuaded that the fairest
(to me and to potential buyers) way to
deal with this watch is to "part it out."

I would very much appreciate opinions
on the authenticity of EACH major part.

Good to have a "why" as part of the opinion.

Terminology will help me, like the movement
being "Lemania with Omega parts...."
(Dare I call it Speedmaster or Omega)

Is the center case Omega, Speedmaster,
modified Omega or replica
or unknown-brand replacement ?

1) Case back.

2) mid-case & pushers

3) crystal

4) bezel

5) main dial

6) hands -main

7) hands-small

8) movement - main

9) moonphase operations.

Thanks in advance,
Your humble Scribe.....

Scott