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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskDon’t need the professionals to know Lewis was to blame. Max was hitting the apex Lewis was off the normal racing line and behind.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...haha, so the spoilt arrogant old snot causes the young arrogant snot to spin off at one of the fastest corners on the F1 calendar, the old arrogant snot has raced and won on that track many times so knows very well what was going to happen, also he can see what is happening so should have taken steps to avoid the accident.
I’m British through and through but I cannot support Sir Lewis on this one, he caused a major crash, and yet still wins the race, clearly on this occasion the punishment didn’t fit the crime.
With luck the F1 gods will redress this in the weeks ahead and Max will get the points back. I don’t object to Sir Lewis winning but let’s do it fairly.
so consequences are not taken into account for penalties.
Lewis came into the corner compromised by angle due to the pass. Max could have not cut in, Lewis could have bailed out. I’m not sure his line could have been tighter at that point based on the compromised entry.
As a driver it’s pretty equal in my mind and Max has done way worse over the past few seasons and was not penalized.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Hamilton is a great driver but yesterday was not his finest hour. Not a particularly nice human being though it must be said, and that is bearing in mind that arrogance is a requirement for a front line F1 driver.
Several other teams are clearly catching up with Mercedes fast and with any luck this will be the last year we will have to suffer their one sided supremacy. L Hamilton in a one race car swap with G Russell would be one way he would earn my grudging respect but is of course doubtful. I wonder how he will take to a teammate who is as fast and aggressive as he is. Or possibly more so...
Several other teams are clearly catching up with Mercedes fast and with any luck this will be the last year we will have to suffer their one sided supremacy. L Hamilton in a one race car swap with G Russell would be one way he would earn my grudging respect but is of course doubtful. I wonder how he will take to a teammate who is as fast and aggressive as he is. Or possibly more so...
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dscoogs
·A 7-time F1 world champion and a highly likely future F1 world champion both decided to force the other one to back off, and neither did within that split second. Won’t be the last time ...
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Scarecrow Boat
·I wonder how he will take to a teammate who is as fast and aggressive as he is. Or possibly more so...
He is absolutely one of the most talented drivers the world has ever seen and no one can strip him of that. He’s also just one of the most privileged (team favor) drivers on the grid. It’ll be hard to see that go away with Russel in the seat.
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Socks
·I don't get all these professionals saying they are happy to wave it away as a racing incident. The event should be one of the simpler to analyse and apportion blame (only 2 cars, both entering corner from a parallel approach, no significant braking). Considering the end result was a potentially bad crash, there should be a post mortem, findings & ramifications.
Interested in VERS & HAM mindset in those highly charged seconds. Did HAM think that was his only shot at passing before he cooked his tyres? My thoughts were that he was all over VERS and could have had him on Hanger Straight braking into Stowe, or later when DRS was enabled. He did the same on LERC which seemed unnecessary seeing he had 2 laps and pace on his side. VERS must be thinking he should have played the long game. As it is a DNF could prove expensive at the end of the season.
Interested in VERS & HAM mindset in those highly charged seconds. Did HAM think that was his only shot at passing before he cooked his tyres? My thoughts were that he was all over VERS and could have had him on Hanger Straight braking into Stowe, or later when DRS was enabled. He did the same on LERC which seemed unnecessary seeing he had 2 laps and pace on his side. VERS must be thinking he should have played the long game. As it is a DNF could prove expensive at the end of the season.
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rob#1
·I thought it was funny how Christian Horner kept ranting about how Hamilton, as an experienced driver, should know that you can’t overtake in that corner as it was too fast, etc., etc. Then Hamilton repeats the move twice later in the race...
I vote racing incident - it’s just a shame that racing couldn’t have carried on for a few more laps as it was thrilling stuff. If they start penalising everyone for just overtaking or defending your position (like in Austria) then it would make the racing even more sterile.
I vote racing incident - it’s just a shame that racing couldn’t have carried on for a few more laps as it was thrilling stuff. If they start penalising everyone for just overtaking or defending your position (like in Austria) then it would make the racing even more sterile.
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simonsays
·I think it is ridiculous to attach perceived personality traits to a racing incident. Max and Lewis are two of the very best at racing and race craft. They have shown that on numerous occasions, both racing each other and anyone else. Aggressive, precise and absolutely on the limits of what’s possible.
It is the nature of the sport to apportion total blame on your opponent in the event of an incident and then see where the dice land. I would take both parties statements with a pinch of salt.
I think it was a racing incident, that was caused by Hamilton, but as demonstrated by overtaking again in the same corner in the same race by the same man, a legit move and not as Christian Horner stated, an impossible move that no one would try with a sane mind. You just need another level of ability and confidence to attempt it and that’s why we watch these guys.
Good luck to both of them. Two of the biggest talents in F1 for some time. We are lucky to have them doing what any fan of F1 wants to see, racing in competitive machinery at the highest level. If your bitchin that one or the other is playing too hard then watch lawn bowels instead!
It is the nature of the sport to apportion total blame on your opponent in the event of an incident and then see where the dice land. I would take both parties statements with a pinch of salt.
I think it was a racing incident, that was caused by Hamilton, but as demonstrated by overtaking again in the same corner in the same race by the same man, a legit move and not as Christian Horner stated, an impossible move that no one would try with a sane mind. You just need another level of ability and confidence to attempt it and that’s why we watch these guys.
Good luck to both of them. Two of the biggest talents in F1 for some time. We are lucky to have them doing what any fan of F1 wants to see, racing in competitive machinery at the highest level. If your bitchin that one or the other is playing too hard then watch lawn bowels instead!
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Martin_J_N
·so consequences are not taken into account for penalties.
Lewis came into the corner compromised by angle due to the pass. Max could have not cut in, Lewis could have bailed out. I’m not sure his line could have been tighter at that point based on the compromised entry.
As a driver it’s pretty equal in my mind and Max has done way worse over the past few seasons and was not penalized.
We will have to agree to disagree, in my opinion Lewis caused Max to spin out, I hope that it wasn’t calculated, but a very nasty accident was the result.
The other issue is not directly Lewis’ fault but the fact that you can repair a damaged car under a red flag seems wrong, in this case it gave Lewis a big advantage as he didn’t have to pit to repair the damage under green flag conditions, this is something that F1 and the FIA need to look at.
For me when a driver is found guilty by the stewards of ending another drivers race that driver should also be excluded, harsh but it might make some drivers think before they go for that non existent gap.
This issue will rumble on for the rest of the season and possibly undermine the great racing yet to come irrespective of who wins.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...We will have to agree to disagree, in my opinion Lewis caused Max to spin out, I hope that it wasn’t calculated, but a very nasty accident was the result.
The other issue is not directly Lewis’ fault but the fact that you can repair a damaged car under a red flag seems wrong, in this case it gave Lewis a big advantage as he didn’t have to pit to repair the damage under green flag conditions, this is something that F1 and the FIA need to look at.
For me when a driver is found guilty by the stewards of ending another drivers race that driver should also be excluded, harsh but it might make some drivers think before they go for that non existent gap.
This issue will rumble on for the rest of the season and possibly undermine the great racing yet to come irrespective of who wins.
working on cars during red flag has always been allowed.
also watch J palmers break down about it on f1’s YouTube.
You might look at it differently.
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texasmade
·We will have to agree to disagree, in my opinion Lewis caused Max to spin out, I hope that it wasn’t calculated, but a very nasty accident was the result.
The other issue is not directly Lewis’ fault but the fact that you can repair a damaged car under a red flag seems wrong, in this case it gave Lewis a big advantage as he didn’t have to pit to repair the damage under green flag conditions, this is something that F1 and the FIA need to look at.
For me when a driver is found guilty by the stewards of ending another drivers race that driver should also be excluded, harsh but it might make some drivers think before they go for that non existent gap.
This issue will rumble on for the rest of the season and possibly undermine the great racing yet to come irrespective of who wins.
In other news, Marko is freaking nuts.
https://jalopnik.com/helmut-marko-is-not-ok-1847326341
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tikkathree
·A 7-time F1 world champion and a highly likely future F1 world champion both decided to force the other one to back off, and neither did within that split second. Won’t be the last time ...
Yes that covers it for me too. Racing incident. There's really nothing new here and we need only think back to Michael Schumacher's talent for playing hard.
Brilliant publicity for Formula 1: "Lewis and Max: who really is the better driver? Is the old lion ready to be ousted by the new alpha male? Tune in next week to see the next round of shenanigans."
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Martin_J_N
·No way a racing incident, Lewis at fault and not punished severely enough for his actions, this is not the first time that Lewis has done this and got away with it, ask Nico.
I have no doubt that issues such as this will happen again, but only if F1 and the FIA carryon in this lackadaisical approach to reprimanding the guilty party (guilty after stewards have investigated incident), I want to see drivers attacking and attempting to get an overtake completed but not at the expense of the other driver being dumped out of the race. It’s not a race if drivers are punted off the track.
I have no doubt that issues such as this will happen again, but only if F1 and the FIA carryon in this lackadaisical approach to reprimanding the guilty party (guilty after stewards have investigated incident), I want to see drivers attacking and attempting to get an overtake completed but not at the expense of the other driver being dumped out of the race. It’s not a race if drivers are punted off the track.
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...No way a racing incident, Lewis at fault and not punished severely enough for his actions, this is not the first time that Lewis has done this and got away with it, ask Nico.
I have no doubt that issues such as this will happen again, but only if F1 and the FIA carryon in this lackadaisical approach to reprimanding the guilty party (guilty after stewards have investigated incident), I want to see drivers attacking and attempting to get an overtake completed but not at the expense of the other driver being dumped out of the race. It’s not a race if drivers are punted off the track.
notice everyone with a racing certification except Horner all think it’s a racing incident?
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!And all the times Max drove people of the track and crashed them out?
notice everyone with a racing certification except Horner all think it’s a racing incident?
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Err not so. Several including the stewards think LH was at fault. There is always a former F1 driver on the steward panel. Derek Warwick or whoever. At his home Grand Prix in fact. F1 is bent, always has been and the biggest dog always gets most of the bone. The fact he was sanctioned at all is suggestive that he is guilty of something.
notice I’m not commenting on blame… racing incidents can still have blame.
in this case bothe drivers are equally at fault. Max as always decided to not compromise assuming the others would back off and avoid the incident. As only a child of Joss would. Lewis for once held ground and also did not compromise.
both share fault, and even if they didn’t under current guidelines issued in the Pre race driver briefings as agreed to by both drivers and teams is to allow for more aggression rap on the first lap or 2.
Max could have gone slightly wider and not turned into Lewis, Lewis could have slowed even more then he did…
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!There are obviously many views, equally valid, but to my mind, MV*. was in front so it was up to LH. to avoid the incident and he didn't. And I notice in his rather confused rant after the event LH accused MV of being over aggressive but then 2 sentences later commented how he was prepared to be as aggressive as it needs to be to win. You couldnt't make it up. These guys have so little self awareness. Basically sociopaths.
* have you noticed that people when discussing some sports seem to reach for first names like they are their best mates. it's strange don't you think? With footballers it is always last names, with F1 first names it seems. The Fast Show did a skit on that exact thing a few years back.
* have you noticed that people when discussing some sports seem to reach for first names like they are their best mates. it's strange don't you think? With footballers it is always last names, with F1 first names it seems. The Fast Show did a skit on that exact thing a few years back.
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Scarecrow Boat
·How Sunday’s events unfolded in the garage. The Office (US version). Any office fans of The Office in here? Listening to the FIA radio messages made me think of this scene below.
*just trying to drop some humor into this debate
*just trying to drop some humor into this debate
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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...As always a pretty good and fair analysis after the hype has died down.
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texasmade
·There are obviously many views, equally valid, but to my mind, MV*. was in front so it was up to LH. to avoid the incident and he didn't. And I notice in his rather confused rant after the event LH accused MV of being over aggressive but then 2 sentences later commented how he was prepared to be as aggressive as it needs to be to win. You couldnt't make it up. These guys have so little self awareness. Basically sociopaths.
* have you noticed that people when discussing some sports seem to reach for first names like they are their best mates. it's strange don't you think? With footballers it is always last names, with F1 first names it seems. The Fast Show did a skit on that exact thing a few years back.
