F1 2020

Posts
6,593
Likes
26,641
Not necessarily from the FIA, but from Mercedes or Pirelli.
In Paddock Pass they interviewed Pirelli, to which Pirelli said all the front left failures had cuts in them, which indicated there was debris embedded in one of the curbs/kerbs. Red Bull inspected the tires they puled off Max's car during the last stop and found the same cuts everyone else had.
 
Posts
3,859
Likes
6,565
In Paddock Pass they interviewed Pirelli, to which Pirelli said all the front left failures had cuts in them, which indicated there was debris embedded in one of the curbs/kerbs. Red Bull inspected the tires they puled off Max's car during the last stop and found the same cuts everyone else had.


It pointed out lap times fell by over one second at the circuit and that an early Safety Car period meant most of the field attempted to do more than three-quarters of the race distance on a single set of tyres.

“A set of individual race circumstances led to an extremely long use of the second set of tyres,” said Pirelli in a statement.

“The second Safety Car period prompted nearly all the teams to anticipate their planned pit stop and so carry out a particularly long final stint: around 40 laps, which is more than three-quarters the total race length on one of the most demanding tracks of the calendar.

“Combined with the notably increased pace of the 2020 Formula 1 cars (pole position was 1.2 seconds faster compared to 2019) this made the final laps of the British Grand Prix especially tough, as a consequence of the biggest forces ever seen on tyres generated by the fastest Formula 1 cars in history.

“The overall result was the most challenging operating conditions for tyres. These led to the front-left tyre (which is well-known for working hardest at Silverstone) being placed under maximum stress after a very high number of laps, with the resulting high wear meaning that it was less protected from the extreme forces in play.”

For this weekend’s 70th Anniversary Grand Prix at Silverstone, Pirelli will bring the C2 and C3 tyres again, but replace the hardest C1 compound with the second-softest C4 compound, as previously planned. In light of Sunday’s failures it will review the tyre usage guidance for teams and increase the minimum tyre pressures to reduce the strain on the constructions.

Teams had cuts because there was no rubber left to protect the carcass.
Edited:
 
Posts
18,107
Likes
27,413
Front tire wear.
If anything it allows them to reduce tire ware if needed. You generally rather have a car setup to remove toe in then to add toe in.

added toe increases tire ware.
 
Posts
3,859
Likes
6,565
If anything it allows them to reduce tire ware if needed. You generally rather have a car setup to remove toe in then to add toe in.

added toe increases tire ware.
The point of the toe in system is to heat the cold tires quicker, and keep them from cooling down on the straights.
 
Posts
3,859
Likes
6,565
What I am saying is I bet both Mercedes were instructed to move the toe, in or out, to keep the front tire temperature up during the safety car period. This would lead to increased front tire wear. And with both Mercedes suffering extreme front tire wear I bet Mercedes is re evaluating their use of the system.
 
Posts
18,107
Likes
27,413
The point of the toe in system is to heat the cold tires quicker, and keep them from cooling down on the straights.
They use it mostly to remove toe on the straights. Less toe is faster.
 
Posts
3,859
Likes
6,565
They use it mostly to remove toe on the straights. Less toe is faster.
“Mercedes has used its innovative DAS system this year to help its drivers on tyre warm-up, leading to questions as to whether it had played a role in causing the failures.“
From:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/151083/mercedes-rules-out-das-as-cause-of-tyre-failures

I
f it was “faster” and saved tire wear they would have used it throughout the race. They did not.
 
Posts
6,593
Likes
26,641
If it was “faster” they would have used it throughout the race. They did not.
Why would they use a system to warm up the tires throughout the race? That would over heat them and definitely wear them out. They use it for warm up purposes IE- warm up laps and behind the safety car. I highly doubt DAS was the reason for their failures. Max was about to experience it. Carlos experienced it. Mercedes experienced the same prolonged race distance (that you explained above) as everyone else. How would DAS be to blame for them when others had the same front left issues they (Mercedes) did?

DAS is toe in to heat up and toe out which is reset. They definitely drive toe out (reset position) during the race as that is the fastest.
 
Posts
3,859
Likes
6,565
Why would they use a system to warm up the tires throughout the race? That would over heat them and definitely wear them out. They use it for warm up purposes IE- warm up laps and behind the safety car. I highly doubt DAS was the reason for their failures. Max was about to experience it. Carlos experienced it. Mercedes experienced the same prolonged race distance (that you explained above) as everyone else. How would DAS be to blame for them when others had the same front left issues they (Mercedes) did?

DAS is toe in to heat up and toe out which is reset. They definitely drive toe out (reset position) during the race as that is the fastest.
Read the Autosport article. It stated they used DAS to warm up their tires and during the early part of the race, then quit using it. Meaning it offered no advantage for most of the race. Lewis should have had way less tire wear than anybody else in the race, he was leading and had way less turbulence over his front wing. That, plus not having to push because Slotas is his teamate and doesn’t push him should have meant his tires lasted longer.
 
Posts
821
Likes
1,399
I’m really disappointed that the other midfield teams won’t be able to follow the Tracing Point model of design next year. 🙄
 
Posts
334
Likes
1,706
Yeah I read as well that DAS was developed specifically for tire warm up, not for suspension advantage. If it was for actively changing suspension geometry that would be against the regs. Due to it only being on the car for the sole purpose of tire heat management its allowed.
 
Posts
334
Likes
1,706
This whole Force India, I mean Racing Point, stuff needs to be cleared up. I find it absolutely ridiculous a car is allowed to compete when it clearly breaks the regs. Mercedes gave them the CAD drawings AFTER brake ducting was added to the 2020 list of parts you cannot share. No punishment for Mercedes?

This sets a significant precedent in F1 that needs to be rectified immediately. This ruling isn't good enough. Teams will just eat the cost and copy parts. If a team can climb the ranks in the constructors championship the prize money MORE than pays for the fine. Just watch and see.
 
Posts
1,078
Likes
1,630
Also kinda odd that they can keep using the ducts.
 
Posts
6,593
Likes
26,641
Also kinda odd that they can keep using the ducts.
Well, the FIA said they can't "unlearn" the design and because of covid don't have enough staff on hand, due to restrictions, to start over.
 
Posts
535
Likes
854
Mercedes gave them the CAD drawings AFTER brake ducting was added to the 2020 list of parts you cannot share. No punishment for Mercedes?

Evidently the ducts were developed well before this happened according to Toto
 
Posts
2,587
Likes
2,871
This seems a bit ironic given their own ruling last year, no?
I remember the days when Ferrari used to fight Mercedes. Now they’re a midfield team fighting RP.
 
Posts
334
Likes
1,706
I think all the team Boss's put it really well
 
Posts
334
Likes
1,706
Evidently the ducts were developed well before this happened according to Toto
Sorry you're correct, they already had the CAD BUT Mercedes delivered physical brake ducts to RP after the change