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ac106
·What else?
The fact that it’s an Ultraman.
Ebay Ultraman "Best Example In The World"
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The fact that it’s an Ultraman.
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tyrantlizardrex
·But you can say that about anything. Red Subs, Meters First, DONs, Inverted Jenny, blue Snaggletooth....
All minutiae to normal people but dog whistles to collectors. You think the ultraman is dumb. We get it.
It’s not just because of the orange hand. It’s because it’s a documented Ultraman. If you put a real ultraman orange chrono on another watch it doesn’t magically become a $30000 watch without the correct reference, extract etc.
For clarity, I think all of this weird bullshit is dumb.
Irrespective of which brand or model.
Some people have turned this hobby into an abstract where all it’s really about is money and dickswinging. Yawn.
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tyrantlizardrex
·go back 10 years in the different forum and u will find all this nonsense bubble talk ...... and what happened ... nothing .... end of the story
10 years ago, financial advisors and assets managers at banks, were not treating watches as an asset class.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·10 years ago, financial advisors and assets managers at banks, were not treating watches as an asset class.
yes but people complaint already that a paul newman is 15k , so whats your point. as long u r not in the market for one, who cares
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Dan S
·yes but people complaint already that a paul newman is 15k , so whats your point. as long u r not in the market for one, who cares
I basically agree with this, but I also suspect that speculation/investment in vintage watches for purely financial reasons does trickle down to put pressure on models that a normal collector like me would want to buy. It also will potentially lead to price volatility in the future.
I'm just talking though, none of this will really change my decisions and behavior. Life is short, and I will buy the watches I like.
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simonsays
·The thing about these watches is that judging by the serial numbers there could be approximately 3000 of these 'Ultramans' out there. How many have had the hands reverted to standard over the years is unknowable, but potentially many may start to come to light as the value is established. I don't think anyone sane would pay more than £25k for a good one?
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Vintagewtchzilla
·The thing about these watches is that judging by the serial numbers there could be approximately 3000 of these 'Ultramans' out there. How many have had the hands reverted to standard over the years is unknowable, but potentially many may start to come to light as the value is established. I don't think anyone sane would pay more than £25k for a good one?
you read the fratello article but didn't get it ....
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Atalien2005
·The thing about these watches is that judging by the serial numbers there could be approximately 3000 of these 'Ultramans' out there. How many have had the hands reverted to standard over the years is unknowable, but potentially many may start to come to light as the value is established. I don't think anyone sane would pay more than £25k for a good one?
I wouldn't pay half of that for it, but I haven't seen one in person. So this unique dial that Vintagewtchzilla speaks of, I guess could potentially change my mind. Though I highly doubt it.
I am glad it was produced because it was the inspiration behind SpeedyTuesday 2. Other than that it's just a watch with an orange hand with an Extract that says orange hand. If we all loved the same watches, this would be a very boring hobby without a lot of variety.
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tyrantlizardrex
·yes but people complaint already that a paul newman is 15k , so whats your point. as long u r not in the market for one, who cares
Well done for completely ignoring what I wrote.
My point is that the market now, is not the market 10 years ago.
Prices are not being driven just by collectors who are interested in watches because they are watches, but by people who are interested in watches as they believe they have a value which will appreciate.
These people could be buying gold, pork futures, or unicorn horns - the asset itself doesn’t matter, the value and it increasing does.
You goons getting your knickers in a twist because your watches are “valuable”, and the ones that aren’t quite the same as yours “not valuable” is hilarious.
You should see how dumb you look, sniping and complaining.
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simonsays
·I didn't read the Fratello article, but I can count serial numbers. How many got the orange hands is pure guesswork, so up to 3000 would be a reasonable estimate, and even Omega at this stage, more than 50 years later is guessing at numbers.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·i'm out, waste of bits and bytes
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MikeMan2727
·I didn't read the Fratello article, but I can count serial numbers. How many got the orange hands is pure guesswork, so up to 3000 would be a reasonable estimate, and even Omega at this stage, more than 50 years later is guessing at numbers.
I wonder why it has to be guesswork for them. They have the archives. Why not just give a summer intern a "project" and have them look at every serial in the range? 😁
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stefman
·Sorry guys, but I have the best ultraman in the world
Thought this thread needed some pics and a chuckle
Thought this thread needed some pics and a chuckle
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chunkythebulldog
·10 years ago, financial advisors and assets managers at banks, were not treating watches as an asset class.
I assume you are talking about FA/AM investing their own money in watches, not their clients? Obviously they can't invest their clients money as the vintage watch market isn't regulated by the FCA. So it's bankers that are pushing up the price of watches?
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Rman
·You goons getting your knickers in a twist because your watches are “valuable”, and the ones that aren’t quite the same as yours “not valuable” is hilarious.
You should see how dumb you look, sniping and complaining.
What I find funny is that there is a pissing match between Tyrantlizardrex and Vintagewatchzilla.
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tyrantlizardrex
·I assume you are talking about FA/AM investing their own money in watches, not their clients? Obviously they can't invest their clients money as the vintage watch market isn't regulated by the FCA. So it's bankers that are pushing up the price of watches?
Several financial folks over the last few months have told me that they advise high net worth private clients, to diversify their portfolio by “investing” in “high end vintage watches”.
All work for different firms, so i don’t think this is something that a few rogue individuals have decided to do on their own...
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Rman
·Cities will fall... when monsters swing their...
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simonsays
·I wonder why it has to be guesswork for them. They have the archives. Why not just give a summer intern a "project" and have them look at every serial in the range? 😁
There are no records in the archives of this kind of detail. So even Omega have to guess if the watch originally came with an orange hand. This is based on the correct hand attached to a movement number in the correct range. I believe the dials were ordered in batches of 500, so if they include this detail, that would reduce numbers further. It is still guesswork though.
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ac106
·Well done for completely ignoring what I wrote.
My point is that the market now, is not the market 10 years ago.
Prices are not being driven just by collectors who are interested in watches because they are watches, but by people who are interested in watches as they believe they have a value which will appreciate.
These people could be buying gold, pork futures, or unicorn horns - the asset itself doesn’t matter, the value and it increasing does.
You goons getting your knickers in a twist because your watches are “valuable”, and the ones that aren’t quite the same as yours “not valuable” is hilarious.
You should see how dumb you look, sniping and complaining.
This thread really seems to be triggering you.
You should probably ignore it.
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