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路路Prolific Speedmaster HoarderMWO propose that the 145.012 with special equipment of an orange hand is a "Genuine Model" . I am not sure by what that means, but I look at this watch as simply that, a 145.012 with an admittedly unique orange hand.
Now special equipment speedmasters, do command a premium. Black and grey racing dials spring to mind. The blue soleil dials I do not count as they are not noted as special equipment from new (so far).
I do not know if the dial differences are certain, as so few have been examined, but it is possible that all models fitted with an orange hand also had the special dial but this dial is not noted in the production records. So this is an assumption, that was founded on the examination of three examples, and then other watches with a similar appearing dial used to reinforce the theory while others with regular dials are dismissed as incorrect. This may turn out to be true, but it is currently based on thin, or at least unpublished evidence.
There are very few of these and fewer on the market. None of the current owners of UM's that I know of paid anything like the amounts now thrown around in fora discussing values. I have heard $35,000 for a full set - but that is unconfirmed, but believable. I know of two friends who I think are nuts who would buy an UM if offered one for that.
The market is a funny thing, and it is unarguable. We can say it is crazy, but as long as the watches trade for these values we cannot say it is wrong. My thoughts are than the market is so thin, is it real? I think it is.
It do not agree that an Orange Hand 145.012 with a specific serial is worth 3 to 8 times the standard watch, but then again the racing is worth 8 to 12 times more. (Would I feel like that if did not own one?).
I would love to see the dial differences. It would be kind if any owners could post side by side comparisons, unless they are keeping them out of sight in preparation for a Christies/Phillips auction 馃榾
Now special equipment speedmasters, do command a premium. Black and grey racing dials spring to mind. The blue soleil dials I do not count as they are not noted as special equipment from new (so far).
I do not know if the dial differences are certain, as so few have been examined, but it is possible that all models fitted with an orange hand also had the special dial but this dial is not noted in the production records. So this is an assumption, that was founded on the examination of three examples, and then other watches with a similar appearing dial used to reinforce the theory while others with regular dials are dismissed as incorrect. This may turn out to be true, but it is currently based on thin, or at least unpublished evidence.
There are very few of these and fewer on the market. None of the current owners of UM's that I know of paid anything like the amounts now thrown around in fora discussing values. I have heard $35,000 for a full set - but that is unconfirmed, but believable. I know of two friends who I think are nuts who would buy an UM if offered one for that.
The market is a funny thing, and it is unarguable. We can say it is crazy, but as long as the watches trade for these values we cannot say it is wrong. My thoughts are than the market is so thin, is it real? I think it is.
It do not agree that an Orange Hand 145.012 with a specific serial is worth 3 to 8 times the standard watch, but then again the racing is worth 8 to 12 times more. (Would I feel like that if did not own one?).
I would love to see the dial differences. It would be kind if any owners could post side by side comparisons, unless they are keeping them out of sight in preparation for a Christies/Phillips auction 馃榾
