Look at examples of inner case back from MMDD and especially Jumpingsecond (page 6 of this thread) also bearing ACIER INOXYDABLE
Mine:



JUMPINGSECOND


MMDD



As for crowns, none of mine are signed UG. Simply crosshatched without lip.

 

Here is another French caseback and Swiss T dialed. This one for sale from a South Florida dealer:http://www.vintagewatchesmiami.com/content/article_detail.lasso?article=7595


No affiliation with seller.

 

With regards to first execution models, are we able to conclude that the "SWISS T" dials have "ACIER INOXYDABLE" stamped inside the case back whereas the "SWISS" dials have "STAINLESS STEEL" stamped inside the case back?

Does anyone know of an exception to this?

 

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There definitely are no rules with this model

 

Yes I think you can look at it anyway you want- no rules maybe but definitely there are guidelines forged by collectors with decades of experience behind them. For brands like UG where enigmas are wrapped in mystery I tend to trust that process more heavily than others while at the same time welcoming disruption where its ironclad.

 

What is interesting is the degree of variation even within just the first execution models that we've seen.

- Gold text, silver text or a mix of gold/silver
- Asymmetric crowns or two hatched crowns
- SWISS or SWISS T
- Lume on the inner bezel or not

 

I have always been extremely cynical about 2nd execs and vowed never to buy one. However, given the recent discussion about the watch belonging to @LoMat above, I decided it must be fate when I saw the example pictured below for sale in a classifieds ad and I snapped it up.

It has what we consider to be a first exec dial but seems to support the theory that a good quality stainless steel case with bevelled lugs did exist.

I will send further photographs when I receive the watch, including comparisons with a first exec.

 

do polerouter subs or polerouters in general have screw down crowns?

 

First Generation Polerouter Subs (i.e. those with super compressor cases) did not have screw down crowns.

I believe all later Polerouter Subs used screw down crowns.

Polerouters did not typically use screw down crowns although there are some models (e.g. the Polerouter Super) that did use them.

 

Nice catch for science. Will be interesting to see the findings.
What would indicate a 2nd execution besides the case/lume? Would the ref # on back be 20369/2?

 

Mmm my UG Sub crown doesn't screw in though.

 

That is an extremely interesting question. In addition to a case with bevelled lugs, there are other characteristics that we associate with 2nd execs but it is difficult to filter out which of these are simply due to the watches we've seen being fakes.

I think we can be fairly certain that the watches with poor quality grey metal cases and/or "GEN" "EVE" dials are all fakes but what about some of the other features that we associate with 2nd execs e.g. thicker font on the inner bezel or fully lumed hour markers. I am wondering whether these features are also not genuine and relate only to the fakes.

Could it simply be that two different types of case exist and that everything else (dial, bezel etc) is identical? Perhaps UG used a new super compressor case shape briefly before producing the second generation and later models?

I would be pleasantly surprised if I can find a case reference or serial number on the back of this watch when it arrives. The seller wasn't able to find them although they are not always easy to spot without lots of light and a loupe.

 

thanks! appreciate the info

 

Onto that we can add the STAINLESS STEEL vs ACIER INOXYDABLE marking on the inner caseback.

 

On top of that we can add several things on the fake cases which for some are higher quality steel than usual thus more difficult to spot:
The real case is made of one single part of steel whereas on fakes the case is made of 2 parts that seem to be clipped

The inner caseback screwing part has no hopening in the fakes whereas there is one on the real ones.

 

Hi All,

I've recently seen a Polerouter Sub for sale. I never expected, when doing some initial research to find such a breadth of controversy surrounding the watch. This discussion has been a fascinating read. I've put some pics of the example I've seen below - what do people think? From what I've read, one minute I'm thinking its legit but then the next I'm questioning it. I understand that the majority of examples with the lume dots are real - this one has those. Crowns also seem to be correct, there is no space in the 'Geneve' etc. With all this said, I'm only recently entering the world of watches and so I'll stop with my assessment to save myself from saying the wrong thing. Any thoughts would be much appreciated

Thanks.

 

No hesitation here. It is the real deal.

 

Based on these photos, I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of any aspect of this watch.

What I can tell you for certain is that the hammer price will bear no resemblance to the estimate .

 

Thanks Yes, unfortunately I am pretty certain of that as well.