Does the 80/20 rule apply to vintage watch collecting?

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I buy with what I like, but with reason. Today, we are so fortunate to have resources like this, the mighty OF, to guide in what is a good deal and what is a bad deal, both in terms of price and quality.

Years ago, I made a bucket list of watches I’d really like to own. Today, I have all of them and wear them in rotation. I would feel a bit weird about buying a super expensive watch and not wear it.
 
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If anybody needed a good kick in the bollocks it was Justin.

Hey, don't be pickin' on JT - he is a crack up when he's on SNL...

 
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It really depends on what you’re investing in and what you expect as a return. All-in-all I look at my watches as really good investments, though definitely not financially.

As an investment of my time in a hobby, researching/learning, and the knowledge and contact that inevitably returns from other watch nerds, ...so far, a killer investment. I don’t have any other holding I can say that about, that has any educational or social component to it whatsoever.

Financially, it might also work out OK. I derive a lot of joy from them wearing/staring/winding, and that is worth something to me ...but I’m also confident I can liquidate them on relatively short notice, and either turn a profit, break even, or sustain an acceptable loss. Of course, depending on how bad the crisis is.

But the same money I’ve spent on watches over the past years invested in this raging bull market? Yeah that would have been better. 😉
 
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I tend to buy all non-investment assets for enjoyment without expectation of profit. Maybe even with the understanding that most all discretionary items will depreciate. However, the recent wild increases in value (bubble) for all things vintage has really caused me to re-examine my approach to acquiring watches. Which I think is not good. I’ve seen watches double, even triple in value that just five years ago, were barely selling (i.e. 70’s off-brand 7733 chronos). I am unaware of any asset that has not just tripled in value, but outpaced the inflation rate by 50% in a handful of quarters, that wasn’t in the midst of a deep bubble. Despite this, I still factor in expected appreciation into purchases. Maybe this is how I justify buying so many watches.....
 
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An example of the 80/20 rule is "20% of your watches contributes roughly 80% of your total watch expenditures/valuation."
 
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I'll echo the sentiment of others: my primary goal is to buy something genuine that I'll enjoy genuinely. As the cost of the piece increases, I'll give more thought to the residual value but generally speaking my emphasis is on personal enjoyment not monetary gain.
 
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Thanks to all who have contributed to my post. I have gained some valuable insight on how to approach my purchases.

Fair to say most members buy what they like and if they make some money when they sell it's a bonus, especially over the short term. Over the long term one would be hoping to come out ahead.

It is also important to be mindful of the purchase price to lessen the chance of a loss if it comes time to sell.
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A google around suggests that in 1972 a Speedmaster sold for $320. If you spent that on an S&P tracker (a vehicle which probably didn't exist at the time, but does now) it would today be worth a shade under $8,000.

Suggests that the very best watches keep up with the returns of other asset classes, but the majority of watches don't?
How do you guess which is the best? From the same 1972 catalogue.

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I only buy what I like – but if I liked a watch that would not hold its value I would likely not buy on it.

I like to know that if I need to I can sell most of the watches I have bought and make most of my money back.

I cannot afford to spend £3k on a watch that will be worth £500 if I fall out of love with it and need to sell it on.
 
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How do you guess which is the best? From the same 1972 catalogue.

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If I can appreciate the watch without wearing my sunglasses? 😎😉
 
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I would keep resale value in mind if its for a piece that is not my 1st... so the 2nd or 3rd watch and going forward I would buy used ( or at a very good discount) and something easy to move if need be. Ive learned this lesson the hard way.

My tag heuer Carrera 36rs with black and red seemed cool the first couple of months... then I just all of a sudden had to get rid of the thing..

Now I see black and red watches and I swear I cringe... its like seeing a picture of an ugly ex girlfriend you had before :/
 
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You nailed it. I have a few watches that are more investment than like, and those are the ones that get sold when the time comes to get one that I really like want.

I do view my collection as an investment, but at the end of the day, the watches are for my enjoyment, and the enjoyment of others...I know that sounds strange, but it is fun to share watches with others and vice versa...the conversation and friendship built around these hunks of metal are the best part of the hobby!

When it comes to any watch though, unless you are buying forever, always have an exit strategy as well as your appetite for a possible loss. The main question when I buy a watch is "can I make money when I sell?" - if the answer is no, then I do not buy. I have an allergic reaction to losing money on a watch😀

At the end of the day, buy what speaks to you, as you are the one that will have it on their wrist. I mean, there are Hublot owners out there that are as happy as a pig in shit.

He Nailed it, especially regarding exit strategy. For me, There is no one in my family to pass my watches on to (my daughter would prefer the cash!), so My plan is to not to die with expensive watches that are a burden on my wife to sell at fire sale prices but to enjoy them now and sell them while I am still in this game for the same or more than my entry price.
 
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Three key factors with watches exist for me:

1) The thrill of the chase is often more rewarding than the watch itself;
2) There are no scenarios where you truly “need” a watch, so you can afford to be patient; and,
3) You often don’t actually know if you like something until you’ve lived with it - and you generally end up liking things less than you think.

I probably bid or correspond on 200+ watches a year, either at auction or in classifieds. I maybe buy 3-5. Some I sell, some I keep. I don’t usually know if I’ll like them until I buy and live with them. I truly fail in love with fewer than I simply like, so I’m always trying to build leeway into the price to allow me to sell them if I don’t love them. Plus, I tend to have a few on hand to play with at all times, so it’s not as gutting to sell ones I’m on the fence about.

There’s also “drop everything grail pieces” that I’d want to sell certain pieces in order to buy - again, having leeway to do this and potential to at least break even in pieces helps build a collection.

For that reason, I’m very careful to maximize value. It’s a recognition more that I can mistake lust for love, rather than trying to profit off the watch. Plus it lets me try different brands, eras, styles, etc, helping me know where I want to go as a collector whilst minimizing downside.

Investment seems like a dirty word here - So maybe we can settle on the massively less sexy “prudent purchase, all things considered”.

Very well said!
 
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For me, when I first got into this hobby, I never even considered the future ROI - it was just how much I liked the damn thing on my wrist. THEN, I started getting into the inevitable position where I was moving up the chain to better and better watches - more and more and MORE!!!!! Feed the addiction!

Then I just began to realize that even though some of the lower end pieces in my collection (Oris, Ball, etc.) were quite good looking, they burned me either in resale or trade-in for the next piece. So now, resale is indeed on my mind when I look for pieces. So for me, it's 50-50.

I know that no matter how much I like a watch now, that in 5 years at the most, I'm going to grow tired of it and want something else and I won't want to lose my shirt.
 
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I buy watches that I like, as I generally want to wear and enjoy them which isn't always conducive to "investment" unless I just stuck them in a safe.

However, I do consider whether or not I would lose my rear-end if I decided to sell it. So I guess the investment value does come in to play a little.
 
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It was never about investment...none of my vintages are truly luxuries but i enjoy every bit of them
 
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I buy watches that I like, as I generally want to wear and enjoy them which isn't always conducive to "investment" unless I just stuck them in a safe.

However, I do consider whether or not I would lose my rear-end if I decided to sell it. So I guess the investment value does come in to play a little.

Love your avatar. That is a painting by English artist Charles Spencelayh (1865-1958), called The Craftsman. The Tate Gallery in London has a major collection of Spencelayh’s works, but the rights holder to his paintings don’t have that one. I have an un-used calendar from 1940 (the year I was born), given out by a watch material supplier, that has a rendering of that painting on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Spencelayh

A bit off topic, but for what it is worth.
 
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Watches will be worth pennies on the dollar in 30 years anyway.

Nah. After the EMP blasts hit, our mechanical watches will be the only way to keep time.
 
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Thanks to all who have contributed to my post. I have gained some valuable insight on how to approach my purchases.

Fair to say most members buy what they like and if they make some money when they sell it's a bonus, especially over the short term. Over the long term one would be hoping to come out ahead.

It is also important to be mindful of the purchase price to lessen the chance of a loss if it comes time to sell.



And keep in mind that you should buy the best condition example that fit in your budget. Always buy quality not quantity.
IMHO, buy what you like and have some what investment value in it. Because nobody wants to loose money at any given time....