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efauser
·Not if you sell it.
Disappointing aborted transaction with forum member
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Vercingetorix
··Spam Riskhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-5-P...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649
Keep an eye on this one. The item description is interesting, no bids, must make offer through ebay. I have bid numerous times and somehow the auction disappears. Not in completed that I could find, ever. This time I used another account to bid it up. I am very curious what will happen.
Keep an eye on this one. The item description is interesting, no bids, must make offer through ebay. I have bid numerous times and somehow the auction disappears. Not in completed that I could find, ever. This time I used another account to bid it up. I am very curious what will happen.
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ClarendonVintage
·@noiseboyuk You aren’t exactly squeaky clean either. The whole thing about tapping up ebay auction listers for their bin price is annoying and an attempt to prey on their ignorance. I am sure any other bidders on that item have a less than charitable view about you. This time you hit someone with less scruples than yourself but be aware that both practices look a little sharp.
What assumptions. I would message a seller regarding an item on auction for his buy it now price because:
I am prepared to pay this price and not wait 8 days for auction to end and,
I have a price in mind. Like it too? Let's deal. Prefer to fetch a higher price from the auction? Feel free to ignore my query.
That is freedom of contract. In an auction there are 2 contracts: indeed, there is a first unilateral contract between the seller (tender for offer) and the highest bidder (acceptance of offer), but there is a 2nd main contract where acceptance is concluded by fall of the hammer. Until that step, the seller can end the auction all he wants. Of course eBay deserves its fees for introducing your products to potential buyers, but don't assume any moral high grounds that buyers are entitled to, just because you placed a bid.
In the same vein, what about bid retraction from the buyer (which is possible a few days before hammer)? How is that fair to the seller - you accepted my tender for offer and now you retract?
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CajunTiger
·The sneakiest of sneaks cancel all bids first and then end the listing.
actually not sneaky...its the only way you can end an auction.
Unfortunately, this happens far too much...Id rather see auctions run the course, that way both parties know they paid/sold at true market value. But sadly the vast majority of the good pieces end early.
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gemstar
·I hope it’s ok just to ‘vent’ on this forum.
I’ve always stood by my word and agreement in all sales and purchase transactions. My word is my bond and up to now I’ve found the same attitude amongst us watch collectors and enthusiasts. Of course, sometimes things go a bit wrong, but always get sorted out fairly and amicably.
Anyway - cutting to the chase.
I found a watch on eBay that I fancied as a bit of a ‘project’.
I asked the seller if he had a buy it now price and after a bit of negotiation we agreed a deal.
Very shortly afterwards he aborted the agreed deal - it didn’t take much to discover that he’d had a couple of decent bids on eBay and saw dollar signs.
I was a bit ‘miffed’ that he’d backed out, but hey, s**t happens.
So - today I’m looking through the sales forum and there is the same watch with a link to eBay but with a sales price on the forum of €800 (note to the mods - the seller only had 97 posts).
After a couple of PM’s a deal was agreed (again) and I received a Paypal payment request - but for the wrong amount.
Before I could query the Paypal request, I received another PM from the seller saying that he’d received a better offer and he was aborting the agreed deal with me again !!
I realise that I was a bit naive and ‘once bitten twice shy’ should have been my moral - but after all my previous enjoyable, honest and honourable transactions with fellow enthusiasts, I really didn’t envisage such behaviour.
Anyway - rant over - just be careful if you ever consider dealing with ‘Virro’.
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bags1971
·Sorry to hear that..Had some things like that happen to me in the past. But I would like to say that you certainly are a man of your word and that seller lost credibility and respect over a few dollars. People ask for bin's all the time . If the seller accepts a bin that's his or her choice to do so, but to back out after a deal is struck is not commendable.
Id second that noiseboyuk is a top class buyer and seller and will honour any deal struck
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vintagestuff
·Ah yes, what some collectors like to call "back dooring" an auction. In some collecting circles, people are shunned completely for this particular maneuver. Did the OP's auction have any bids when he "asked for a BIN?" That is important. I've seen plenty of people kill auctions after bids were received in favor of an offer from a guy with an offer. It's unethical and not allowed by ebay, (unless the sale is ended in favor of the high bidder) but it's tough to stop. For those of you who say you "asked for a BIN because you couldn't wait for the sale or don't have time to wait, but you're NOT trying to beat the seller out of money and buy it for much less than you know it will bring at auction, cmon. You see it, know it will sell high, and hope you can get a price that is much less from a buyer who you hope has no clue. Let's just be honest. As for flying with crows etc, that's a perfect way of characterizing this. If a seller wants to sell BIN, he has the chance to do so when he lists the item, so sending those questions is questionable from the start. I like to think of it as a man who takes up with a married woman, she leaves her husband, they get married, and she cheats on him in the same way when a better opportunity presents itself. She did it to one man, she will do it again. This is true with genders reversed, of course. You roll in the mud with pigs, and you get dirty. The seller was dishonest, the OP may have been unethical, and now he's here to exact revenge on the seller. Dirty stuff. I find coming here to "tattle on him" particularly distasteful.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!That pretty much sums up my attitude better than I could have.
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Vercingetorix
··Spam RiskIf its any consolation, when a seller does end an auction early to sell as a buy it now, they usually screw themselves.
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MaiLollo
·Shady stuff happens all the time. It's difficult to be honest and portray things the way you know them to be, we're in a time where we expect the sellers to be hiding stuff.
I try to be honest in every transaction because I know that I'm building a reputation by every thing I do. It was hard to turn down more money than I asked for in a recent sale, but we only have one word...
I try to be honest in every transaction because I know that I'm building a reputation by every thing I do. It was hard to turn down more money than I asked for in a recent sale, but we only have one word...
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noiseboyuk
·Ah yes, what some collectors like to call "back dooring" an auction. In some collecting circles, people are shunned completely for this particular maneuver. Did the OP's auction have any bids when he "asked for a BIN?" That is important. I've seen plenty of people kill auctions after bids were received in favor of an offer from a guy with an offer. It's unethical and not allowed by ebay, (unless the sale is ended in favor of the high bidder) but it's tough to stop. For those of you who say you "asked for a BIN because you couldn't wait for the sale or don't have time to wait, but you're NOT trying to beat the seller out of money and buy it for much less than you know it will bring at auction, cmon. You see it, know it will sell high, and hope you can get a price that is much less from a buyer who you hope has no clue. Let's just be honest. As for flying with crows etc, that's a perfect way of characterizing this. If a seller wants to sell BIN, he has the chance to do so when he lists the item, so sending those questions is questionable from the start. I like to think of it as a man who takes up with a married woman, she leaves her husband, they get married, and she cheats on him in the same way when a better opportunity presents itself. She did it to one man, she will do it again. This is true with genders reversed, of course. You roll in the mud with pigs, and you get dirty. The seller was dishonest, the OP may have been unethical, and now he's here to exact revenge on the seller. Dirty stuff. I find coming here to "tattle on him" particularly distasteful.
I did not come here to “tattle on him” as you put it.
I was ‘venting’ and reporting what I believed to be questionable integrity from a seller.
I’m sure if you’d been in my position you would also have felt aggrieved.
Anyway - Just to answer your original point.
As I recall, I sent the seller an eBay message prior to any bids having been made.
After a number of messages discussing value we agreed a deal and the seller was to send me pics of the movement and caseback. After agreeing a sale eBay bids were placed. I suspect that these bids made the seller believe that he could achieve a better price and that’s why he aborted.
As I said in my original post - fair enough. I wasn’t happy - but that’s life. I was ready to continue bidding through eBay.
However, what really stung was responding to, and agreeing a deal on this forum (at a very similar price to which we had agreed initially)
A deal which once again was ‘pulled’ by the seller - citing a more lucrative offer.
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oddboy
·No opinion on the particulars in the OP, but I was under the impression that blind auctions were not allowed on this forum. Report the behaviour to the mods and move on.
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Nobel Prize
·I 100 % stick to my word, specially here. On my last sale I literally had an offer 2 g above my original asking price but honored the first serious offer I had at the original price. It was my fault for not doing my research thoroughly and the user was a great guy with a very open and honest approach. Couldn’t really try to push him
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFNo opinion on the particulars in the OP, but I was under the impression that blind auctions were not allowed on this forum. Report the behaviour to the mods and move on.
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noiseboyuk
·No opinion on the particulars in the OP, but I was under the impression that blind auctions were not allowed on this forum. Report the behaviour to the mods and move on.
Just to clarify.
The sales post on this forum had a specific price which which I agreed to. The seller sent me a Paypal payment request which he then cancelled telling me he’d had been offered a higher price elsewhere.
His sales post also contained a link to his eBay listing.
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