Difference between Seamaster, Seamaster De Ville, and Seamaster 600?

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wartaf

·Nov 6, 2016

I think that 14770 as only "seamaster" on it's dial, instead of 14910 and 166.020 (first 14910 before 1962 had also only "seamaster", without "deville", ans the S is a bit different on models before and after 1962

The first is a 166.020, the second 14910, and third 14770. I'm not sure about these informations, does anyone can confirm it or correct it?

 

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MPMcKeag

·Nov 6, 2016

Hi, how much would you expect to pay for a 1965 Seamaster De Ville in very good condition?

 

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wartaf

·Nov 6, 2016

It depends on the model, a 166.020 cal 562 worths probably 500 to 700 euros, but you can find it on auctions at 350 on Ebay...

 

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cicindela

·Nov 6, 2016·Steve @ ΩF

MPMcKeag

Hi, how much would you expect to pay for a 1965 Seamaster De Ville in very good condition?

$300-400.

 

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MPMcKeag

·Nov 6, 2016

Cool thanks. I have been looking at a 165.020 that looks in near perfect condition but it is more that twice that price.

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 20, 2018

INFORMATION to share ...

600 / Geneve
PRINT ... on dial came in 4 versions:

Omega [only]
Omega Seamaster 600
Omega Seamaster 600 Geneve [transitional model]
Omega Geneve

Case ref# 136.011 @ 34.3 mm
Calendar [date]
caliber 611 early 1960's model
caliber 613 later 1960's model with quick set date

Case ref# 135.011 @ 34.3 mm
No Calendar [no date]
caliber 601

CRYSTAL / PLEXI [dome]

Crystal part # - PZ5005 ..... NO date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter
acrylic with metal tension ring

Crystal part # - PZ5007 ..... NO date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter
acrylic with metal tension ring

Crystal part # - PZ5007L ... WITH date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter
acrylic with metal tension ring

Omega Rubber Back GASKET Ref.# 088.0010
Overall diameter Ø31.10mm
Thickness 0.60mm

Edited: Dec 25, 2018

 

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CdnWatchDoc

·Dec 20, 2018

hmmmcamu

INFORMATION to share ...
CRYSTAL / PLEXI
Omega Seamaster 600
case ref# 136.011
caliber 611 [ WITH date ]
Crystal part # - PZ5007L ... WITH date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter
Omega Seamaster 600
case ref# 135.011
caliber 601 [ NO date ]
Crystal part # - PZ5005 ..... NO date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter

Thanks for this information. I recently purchased a no-date 600 with a cracked crystal, and now know what the part number to track down!

 

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Archer

·Dec 21, 2018·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

hmmmcamu

INFORMATION to share ...

CRYSTAL / PLEXI

Omega Seamaster 600
case ref# 136.011
caliber 611 [ WITH date ]

Crystal part # - PZ5007L ... WITH date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter

Omega Seamaster 600
case ref# 135.011
caliber 601 [ NO date ]

Crystal part # - PZ5005 ..... NO date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter

Note that as I've mentioned in our PM's back and forth when you have been asking me about these crystals, these are not the same sizes. In addition to the diameter, the thickness of the crystals vary, so the two crystals you have listed above are not the same size, and one just has a magnifier - they are different heights. You need to use caution when replacing a crystal to make sure that all the parameters are the same. Different heights can mean issues like hand interference with the inside of the crystal can come into play.

Also note that the 063PZ5007L is no longer available.

Cheers, Al

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 21, 2018

Archer

Note that as I've mentioned in our PM's back and forth when you have been asking me about these crystals, these are not the same sizes. In addition to the diameter, the thickness of the crystals vary, so the two crystals you have listed above are not the same size, and one just has a magnifier - they are different heights. You need to use caution when replacing a crystal to make sure that all the parameters are the same. Different heights can mean issues like hand interference with the inside of the crystal can come into play.

Also note that the 063PZ5007L is no longer available.

Cheers, Al

Roger that !!! .... i was forwarded this info from Switzerland for Omega case ref# 136.xxx [with date mvmnt]

 

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Archer

·Dec 21, 2018·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

hmmmcamu

Roger that !!! .... i was forwarded this info from Switzerland for Omega case ref# 136.xxx [with date mvmnt]

Clearly this information doesn't come from Omega, but likely from some third party supplier based on the fact they are not using proper Omega parts numbers. Note that suppliers will want to sell you crystals that they have, rather than what is necessarily right.

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 21, 2018

well part is inbound, i ordered one .... will bring it to Omega service center here in New York City to have it fitted for my 600 and see what happens

 

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Archer

·Dec 21, 2018·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Also keep in mind that the case number they have provided crystal references for you is not the same case that you are referring to - yours is a 136011, and they have given you numbers for a 136001.

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 21, 2018

just dropped them a message they confirmed specs are Omega case ref# 136.XXX series that houses with date complication 600 series of mvmnt by Omega ... will find out soon enough

 

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Archer

·Dec 21, 2018·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

hmmmcamu

just dropped them a message they confirmed specs are Omega case ref# 136.XXX series that houses with date complication 600 series of mvmnt by Omega ... will find out soon enough

I don't know if you just don't get this, but saying that specs are for 136.XXX and assuming XXX are all the same, isn't the way it works when specifying replacement parts.

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 21, 2018

i understand exactly what u are saying, i passed the same concerns with them and photos of my watch and the case back, and the movement, along with these photos of Crystal part # - PZ5005 and its measurements as a reference ..... they said the crystal shud fit

 

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Archer

·Dec 21, 2018·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

You can put whatever crystal you want in your watch - I really don't care. However I would caution those reading this thread that when crystals are stated as being "correct" for a particular model based on your information, I would take that with a grain of salt.

"Should work" and "correct for this case" are two very different things. As I've said several times now, there is more then just the diameter involved in selecting the right crystal. The height, colour of the tension ring obviously, and if that ring is stepped or not all play a factor. Even if a crystal fits, that doesn't mean it will look right.

For those who are interested for the 136011 and 135011, the only correct crystal Omega calls out for a SS case is the 063PZ5005.

Cheers, Al

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 21, 2018

noted and understood ...

 

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numero27

·Dec 21, 2018

speedbird

Let's to not forget the SM600's little brother, the SM30

The SM 30 is more like the big brother, it has the older 30 mm movement and it has a slightly bigger case (35 vs 34 mm)
btw it s matter of personal taste, but i prefer cal 30 over cal 600, it is less refined but it gives more in terms of mechanical sensations.

 

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hmmmcamu

·Dec 25, 2018

Omega Crystal part # - PZ5007L ...
WITH date magnifier @ 31.6 mm diameter
domed acrylic with metal tension ring
with small Omega logo dead center

 

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Blcklab666

·Jan 9, 2019

Wow this is thorough. New to this forum and hoping you can steer me in the right direction regarding the right spring bars.
I have a SM passed from my Grandfather to my dad to me. For years it's had an inexpensive hadley Roma strap from the mall. I want to put on a new strap. Compared to my Planet Ocean I can see 1.8mm bars are too big. Does it use 18mm x 1.5mm? Would a modern "quick release" strap fit in the holes?
I used to think it was a 1960 but pics look more like 1962 I've seen online. I don't have any details from inside the case.
Thanks for any advice.